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Mattlistener: /* Transition to the lajatang */

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‎Transition to the lajatang

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Buddy23Lee: Revising some words, adding personal disclaimer

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Lasty at 14:55, 28 December 2014

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Bwijn: Base_shield_penalty#Shield_Penalties =15

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Base_shield_penalty#Shield_Penalties =15

WigglingFerns: /* Stat increases */ I added a question for clarification about the proportionality suggestions for str and dex

2014-07-29T20:34:56Z

‎Stat increases: I added a question for clarification about the proportionality suggestions for str and dex

Buddy23Lee: /* God selection */ Revised my thoughtless approach to Trog worship

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 Maybe so, but a one-dimensional minotaur will perish in the dungeon with almost as much regularity as any other character. There are, however, a number of particular ways in which this monstrous species can be played (and, what I would contend as optimized). In this guide we sample but one, somewhat peculiar example.
-'''Character build:''' ''MiGl with staves'' [[File:Minotaur.png]] [[File:Quarterstaff.png]]
+'''Character build:''' ''MiGl with staves'' [[File:Minotaur_old.png]] [[File:Quarterstaff.png]]
 Although the minotaur fighter is probably the most no-fuss, tried-and-true character build, this strategy uses a [[gladiator]] [[background]] instead. No, this is not just because he gets to start with a cool, easily enchantable [[hat]], or even a basic [[throwing]] skill to help round you out a bit. No, the primary reason for selecting the gladiator is to have access to a [[quarterstaff]] as a starting weapon.

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 ===Transition to the lajatang===
-Barring a very nice quarterstaff find, hopefully by or during the mid-game you make the transition to a lajatang. You may be gifted one by Trog or [[Okawaru]]. You may strip one off a dead [[unique]], such as [[Agnes]]. You may get one from an unidentified [[scroll of acquirement]] (the odds are good). Or you may just find one lying around. Whatever the means, now is a good time to wield one. Just like your quarterstaff, its maximum speed is achieved at ‘''staves''’ skill level 14, so no need to train any extra for it.
+Barring a very nice quarterstaff find, hopefully by or during the mid-game you make the transition to a lajatang. You may be gifted one by [[Okawaru]]. You may strip one off a dead [[unique]], such as [[Agnes]]. You may get one from an unidentified [[scroll of acquirement]] (the odds are good). Or you may just find one lying around. Whatever the means, now is a good time to wield one. Just like your quarterstaff, its maximum speed is achieved at ‘''staves''’ skill level 14, so no need to train any extra for it.
 Speaking of scrolls of acquirement, once you’d identified them, and unlike normal, you’ll want to save them for later. There are also two other items you want to be on the lookout for, fairly unusual to the minotaur: a staff of earth and any [[spellbooks]] which contain low to mid-level earth magic spells. The first of these is fairly unlikely unless you’re lucky. If you do find a staff of earth, obviously save it. In that case, you can even go ahead and start training ‘''evocations''’ if you’d like, but don’t worry about wielding it just yet. That’s where the spellbook comes in.

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-<div style="border: 1px solid #f01; background-color: #fcc; border-left: 15px solid #f00; margin-bottom: 20px; width: 100%; padding: 4px 10px; line-height: 1.1em; width: auto;">The advice in this article has been flagged as misleading and/or dangerous.</div>
+<div style="border: 1px solid #f01; background-color: #fcc; border-left: 15px solid #f00; margin-bottom: 20px; width: 100%; padding: 4px 10px; line-height: 1.1em; width: auto;">If you are new to Dungeon Crawl, this advice is NOT for you. Please visit the general articles elsewhere on this wiki and follow their sensible and well-established advice. The content below should be viewed as an advanced and challenging character build. Some players may also be philosophically opposed to the particular investitures of experience points this build requires and are encouraged to follow other play styles.</div>
 A melee-focused [[minotaur]], you might ask, who needs a guide for that? Isn’t it just as straightforward as 'heavy weapon + heavy armor = point him at a monster and smash'?
-Maybe so, but a one-dimensional minotaur will perish in the dungeon with almost as much regularity as any other character. There are, however, a number of particular ways in which this monstrous species can be optimized. In this guide we sample but one, somewhat peculiar example.
+Maybe so, but a one-dimensional minotaur will perish in the dungeon with almost as much regularity as any other character. There are, however, a number of particular ways in which this monstrous species can be played (and, what I would contend as optimized). In this guide we sample but one, somewhat peculiar example.
 '''Character build:''' ''MiGl with staves'' [[File:Minotaur.png]] [[File:Quarterstaff.png]]
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-The next time you want a melee-based character with a little twist, consider this type of build. You’ll be pleasantly surprised with the amount of damage your oddly-armed minotaur will inflict!
+The next time you want a melee-based character with a little twist, consider this type of build. You’ll be pleasantly surprised with the amount of damage your oddly-armed minotaur will inflict! To be clear, this is not the end-all, be-all of minotaur gladiators, but I have successfully used this build to surface with the orb, and I’m confident it can work for other players as well.

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 A melee-focused [[minotaur]], you might ask, who needs a guide for that? Isn’t it just as straightforward as 'heavy weapon + heavy armor = point him at a monster and smash'?

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 *Once you have an earth staff in you possession, begin training your evocations so it eventually gains some parity with your earth magic skill. Keep training both as high as possible.
-*Once your evocations and earth magic hit about level 10, consider wielding the staff of earth. If you do, wear a nice buckler or shield with it and start training a [[Shields (skill)|shields skill]] as well. Remember, you only need 5 levels for a buckler and 10 for a shield to negate the penalty.
+*Once your evocations and earth magic hit about level 10, consider wielding the staff of earth. If you do, wear a nice buckler or shield with it and start training a [[Shields (skill)|shields skill]] as well. Remember, you only need 5 levels for a buckler and 15 for a shield to negate the [[Base_shield_penalty#Shield_Penalties|penalty]].
 *If you need extra [[experience]] before heading to the [[Realm of Zot]], consider wandering [[The Abyss|the abyss]] for a while. At level 3 and lower, you can look for the rune and also gain a steady stream of experience.

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 ===Stat increases===
-As a staff user, you’re probably going to want to put a fair amount of your stat increases into [[dexterity]] as, especially with the lajatang, dexterity is a boon to its use. Don’t worry though, your minotaur will likely gain some of these increases automatically. Try to keep [[strength]] and dexterity stats somewhat proportional with one another.
+As a staff user, you’re probably going to want to put a fair amount of your stat increases into [[dexterity]] as, especially with the lajatang, dexterity is a boon to its use. Don’t worry though, your minotaur will likely gain some of these increases automatically. Try to keep [[strength]] and dexterity stats somewhat proportional (what proportion?) with one another.
 ==Early game==

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 ===God selection===
-Your [[god]] selection won’t matter much for this build, so select whomever makes sense to you. The only consideration you may want to account for is how much skill investment you’ll need to put into things like [[invocations]] to make your god practical. In this sense, a god like [[Makhleb]] is a little less choice than normal, whereas [[Trog]] may be more so. Don’t pick [[Nemelex]] for now, as again we still want to hold off on those evocations for a while.
+Your [[god]] selection won’t matter much for this build, so select whomever makes sense to you. The only consideration you may want to account for is how much skill investment you’ll need to put into things like [[invocations]] to make your god practical. In this sense, a god like [[Makhleb]] is a little less choice than normal, whereas [[Okawaru]] may be more so. Don’t pick [[Nemelex]] for now, as again we still want to hold off on those evocations for a while.
 ==Mid-game==