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Patrick2011b: bump

2025-05-10T00:44:55Z

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Hordes: /* Strategy */

2025-01-17T19:22:57Z

‎Strategy

Hordes at 19:21, 17 January 2025

2025-01-17T19:21:23Z

Ge0ff: /* Strategy */ it's more general, not just vs. an apostle with a disto weapon!

2024-12-19T21:09:33Z

‎Strategy: it's more general, not just vs. an apostle with a disto weapon!

Ge0ff: /* Strategy */ add some bizarre cases of banishment immunity

2024-12-19T21:03:36Z

‎Strategy: add some bizarre cases of banishment immunity

Patrick2011b: bump ref

2024-09-24T22:49:05Z

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Qqqqwe2 at 21:15, 18 September 2024

2024-09-18T21:15:10Z

Qqqqwe2: remove many mentions to chaos, clean up some info

2024-09-18T17:34:32Z

remove many mentions to chaos, clean up some info

Qqqqwe2: verifiably false, you can find banished orcs and the like roaming around

2024-06-28T04:28:07Z

verifiably false, you can find banished orcs and the like roaming around

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2024-02-02T11:30:42Z

‎Strategy

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 {{flavour|Banishes a creature into the Abyss.}}
 '''Banishment''' is a spell, ability, and general effect that sends a creature to [[the Abyss]]. Although it deals no damage, the Abyss is dangerous for underleveled characters.
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 When leaving the Abyss after being banished, you will return to the [[Dungeon]] level, floor of [[Pandemonium]], or [[Ziggurat]] level that you were formerly on. This is different from entering an Abyss portal, as a portal lets you escape Pandemonium, but Banishment does not.
-After escaping the Abyss via a gate out, you are immune to banishment (from distortion, or spell) for the next 10-19 [[decaAut]].<ref>{{source ref|0.32.0|stairs.cc|840}}</ref> This does not render immunity to [[Xom]].
+After escaping the Abyss via a gate out, you are immune to banishment (from distortion, or spell) for the next 10-19 [[decaAut]].<ref>{{source ref|0.33.0|stairs.cc|862}}</ref> This does not render immunity to [[Xom]].
 ===Against Monsters===
-Banishes a monster and its items. Banished monsters can be found roaming the Abyss, and any [[artefact]]s lost to the Abyss will eventually generate there. You gain XP as if you killed the monster, but it does not count as a kill for the purposes of [[piety]].
+Banishes a monster and its items. This is usually treated as a kill, but if it's a unique or a certain powerful non-unique, it can be found roaming the Abyss, and any [[artefact]]s lost to the Abyss will eventually generate there. You gain XP as if you killed the monster, but it does not count as a kill for the purposes of [[piety]].
 ==Sources==

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 Generally, prevention is better than the cure. The methods to avoid banishment depend on the source:
-*Distortion attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks are obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If it is a weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
+*Distortion attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks should be obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If the enemy has a distortion weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
 *The spell "Banishment" can be resisted by [[willpower]]. Having Will+++ is usually sufficient (often gives a 0-1% chance to banish); Will++++ gives immunity to all sources of the spell. You can also block its line of fire (e.g. stand behind other monsters, hostile or friendly), block its [[line of sight]], or [[silence]]/[[waterlog]] the caster.
 *In some situations, the player gets a temporary banishment immunity. For example, [[Okawaru]] prevents banishment when you fight in the Arena. Similarly, [[Beogh]] won't let you get banished during a challenge.

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 ===Against Monsters===
-Banishes a monster and its items. Banished monsters can be found roaming the Abyss, and any [[artefact]]s lost to the Abyss will eventually generate there.
+Banishes a monster and its items. Banished monsters can be found roaming the Abyss, and any [[artefact]]s lost to the Abyss will eventually generate there. You gain XP as if you killed the monster, but it does not count as a kill for the purposes of [[piety]].
 ==Sources==

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 *Distortion attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks are obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If it is a weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
 *The spell "Banishment" can be resisted by [[willpower]]. Having Will+++ is usually sufficient (often gives a 0-1% chance to banish); Will++++ gives immunity to all sources of the spell. You can also block its line of fire (e.g. stand behind other monsters, hostile or friendly), block its [[line of sight]], or [[silence]]/[[waterlog]] the caster.
-*In some situations, the player gets a temporary banishment immunity. For example, [[Okawaru]] prevents banishment when you fight in the Arena. Similarly, [[Beogh]] won't let you get banished when fighting a distortion weapon-wielding apostle during a challenge.
+*In some situations, the player gets a temporary banishment immunity. For example, [[Okawaru]] prevents banishment when you fight in the Arena. Similarly, [[Beogh]] won't let you get banished during a challenge.
 ==Monsters==

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 *Distortion attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks are obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If it is a weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
 *The spell "Banishment" can be resisted by [[willpower]]. Having Will+++ is usually sufficient (often gives a 0-1% chance to banish); Will++++ gives immunity to all sources of the spell. You can also block its line of fire (e.g. stand behind other monsters, hostile or friendly), block its [[line of sight]], or [[silence]]/[[waterlog]] the caster.
 ==Monsters==

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 {{flavour|Banishes a creature into the Abyss.}}
 '''Banishment''' is a spell, ability, and general effect that sends a creature to [[the Abyss]]. Although it deals no damage, the Abyss is dangerous for underleveled characters.
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 {{monsterlink|The Enchantress}} (25%) <br>
-These monsters have innate distortion melee attacks:
+These monsters have innate distortion melee attacks. Monsters with an asterisk (*) next to their name are usually only encountered in the Abyss itself.
-{{monsterlink|Spatial vortex}} <br>
+{{monsterlink|Spatial vortex}} '''*''' <br>
-{{monsterlink|Spatial maelstrom}} <br>
+{{monsterlink|Spatial maelstrom}} '''*''' <br>
-{{monsterlink|Starflower}} (also has 3-tile [[reaching]])<br>
+{{monsterlink|Starflower}} '''*''' (also has 3-tile [[reaching]])<br>
 {{monsterlink|Pandemonium lord}} (10%)<br>
 {{monsterlink|Dancing weapon}} (if a weapon of distortion)<br>

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 When leaving the Abyss after being banished, you will return to the [[Dungeon]] level, floor of [[Pandemonium]], or [[Ziggurat]] level that you were formerly on. This is different from entering an Abyss portal, as a portal lets you escape Pandemonium, but Banishment does not.
-After escaping the Abyss via a gate out, you are immune to banishment (from distortion, chaos, or spell) for the next 10-19 [[decaAut]].<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|stairs.cc|796}}</ref> This does not render immunity to [[Xom]].
+After escaping the Abyss via a gate out, you are immune to banishment (from distortion, or spell) for the next 10-19 [[decaAut]].<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|stairs.cc|796}}</ref> This does not render immunity to [[Xom]].
 ===Against Monsters===
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 *The [[#Spell|Banishment]] spell (checks [[willpower]])
 *Being hit by a [[distortion]] attack (5% chance)
-*Unwielding a weapon of distortion (25% chance)
+*Unwielding a weapon of distortion (25% chance, prevented by Lugonu)
-*[[Chaos]], [[chaotic]] effects, and [[Xom]]
+*[[Xom]] actions
 *The [[divine retribution|wrath]] of [[Lugonu]]
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 Generally, prevention is better than the cure. The methods to avoid banishment depend on the source:
-*Distortion/chaos attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks are obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If it is a weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
+*Distortion attacks can be avoided by avoiding melee with the enemy. Using ranged attacks are obvious - just about any character can use [[wand]]s. If it is a weapon, you can use [[Tukima's Dance]] to disarm the enemy.
 *The spell "Banishment" can be resisted by [[willpower]]. Having Will+++ is usually sufficient (often gives a 0-1% chance to banish); Will++++ gives immunity to all sources of the spell. You can also block its line of fire (e.g. stand behind other monsters, hostile or friendly), block its [[line of sight]], or [[silence]]/[[waterlog]] the caster.
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 ===Distortion===
-These monsters generate with [[distortion]] or [[chaos]] weapons, or have innate attacks with these traits. A hit by a distortion weapon has a 5% chance of banishment; chaos weapons have a 0.135% chance. Note that these brands do work with the [[reaching]] of Polearms.
+These monsters may generate with [[distortion]] weapons, or have innate attacks with these traits. A hit by a distortion weapon has a 5% chance of banishment.
 <!-- placed roughly in order you'll encounter them in the dungeon -->
-{{monsterlink|Crazy Yiuf}} (quarterstaff of chaos, 100% chance of possession) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Psyche}} (25%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Psyche}} (dagger of distortion, 25%; dagger of chaos, 75%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Sonja}} (50%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Sonja}} (dagger or short sword of distortion, 50%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Donald}} (4%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Donald}} (distortion, 4%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Frederick}} (4%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Frederick}} (distortion, 4%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Margery}} (4%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Margery}} (distortion, 4%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Hell knight}} (4%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Hell knight}} (distortion, 4%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Spriggan defender}} (10%) <br>
-{{monsterlink|Spriggan defender}} (distortion, 10%) <br>
+{{monsterlink|The Enchantress}} (25%) <br>
-These monsters have innate distortion or chaotic melee attacks:
+These monsters have innate distortion melee attacks:
 {{monsterlink|Spatial vortex}} <br>
 {{monsterlink|Spatial maelstrom}} <br>
-{{monsterlink|Chaos spawn}} (also trails [[cloud]]s of chaos) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Starflower}} (also has 3-tile [[reaching]])<br>
-{{monsterlink|Apocalypse crab}} (can breathe clouds of chaos) <br>
+{{monsterlink|Pandemonium lord}} (10%)<br>
-{{monsterlink|Eldritch tentacle}} <br>
+{{monsterlink|Dancing weapon}} (if a weapon of distortion)<br>
-Note that any other monster capable of wielding weapons can pick up a distortion weapon and use it. This can result in even lowly monsters such as [[goblin]]s banishing you, albeit very rarely. Also, [[pandemonium lord]]s and [[player ghost]]s may come with distortion/chaos attacks.
+Note that any other monster capable of wielding weapons can pick up a distortion weapon and use it. This can result in even lowly monsters such as [[goblin]]s banishing you, albeit very rarely.
 <!-- Useful to see probability of distortion weapons in Hall of Blades? Code-divers, here's your opportunity! -->
 ==History==
 *Prior to [[0.29]], banished monsters appeared only on Abyss:1 instead of following the player into deeper levels.
 *Prior to [[0.27]], more monsters, such as [[lich]]es, had Banishment in one of their spellbooks.

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 ==Strategy==
-Banishment is very dangerous to low level characters; you could be face-to-face with an [[ancient lich]] at XL 9. Around XL 15 - 20 is where the Abyss becomes survivable; an XL 27 character should have no problems in Abyss:3.
+Banishment is very dangerous to low level characters; you could be face-to-face with an [[ancient lich]] at XL 9. Around XL 15 - 20 is where the Abyss becomes survivable. An XL 27 character should have no problems in Abyss:3, but can still struggle at Abyss:6-7.
 If you get banished early, don't lose hope yet. You can worship [[Lugonu]] (if an [[altar]] is found) for an immediate way out. You will receive [[penance]] from your previous god, but Lugonu provides some protection against that. Otherwise, getting [[XP]] will eventually force a way out, and you can also find an exit by walking around.