Beast talisman - Revision history

Serenity: Obsoleted.

2025-07-24T03:06:33Z

Obsoleted.

Spudwalt at 06:05, 27 October 2024

2024-10-27T06:05:46Z

Hordes: /* Useful Info */ "all" is a bit reudndant

2024-01-17T15:11:39Z

‎Useful Info: "all" is a bit reudndant

Ge0ff: /* Useful Info */ Slaying bonus affects all forms of combat, see slaying_bonus() in player.cc

2024-01-17T14:03:27Z

‎Useful Info: Slaying bonus affects all forms of combat, see slaying_bonus() in player.cc

Hordes at 12:15, 15 January 2024

2024-01-15T12:15:50Z

Hordes: src, image

2024-01-15T12:07:59Z

src, image

Patrick2011b: -trunk

2024-01-14T20:24:49Z

-trunk

Hordes at 09:54, 12 January 2024

2024-01-12T09:54:05Z

Hordes: Undo revision 77276 by Hordes (talk)

2024-01-09T07:14:03Z

Undo revision 77276 by Hordes (talk)

Hordes: use "set to" to try and clarify that this form doesn't boost base damage

2024-01-09T06:42:53Z

use "set to" to try and clarify that *this form doesn't boost base damage*

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 {{flavour|Transforms the user into a monstrous, furry were-beast, limbs pulsing with ferocious energy. Shapeshifting skill increases the killing power provided. While transformed, any gloves, cloaks, headgear and boots are melded.}}
 [[File:beast talisman.png]] A '''beast talisman''' is a [[talisman]] that changes you into '''Beast Form''', a wild, hulking form that grants bonuses to physical combat.
-[[Shapeshifter]]s start with this item, and start the game in Beast Form.
+From [[0.31]] to [[0.32]], [[Shapeshifter]]s started with this item, and started the game in Beast Form.
 ==Useful Info==
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 ==History==
 *Beast talismans were introduced in [[0.31]], along with talismans themselves. Beast Form is analogous to [[Beastly Appendage]].

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 {{flavour|Transforms the user into a monstrous, furry were-beast, limbs pulsing with ferocious energy. Shapeshifting skill increases the killing power provided. While transformed, any gloves, cloaks, headgear and boots are melded.}}
-[[File:beast talisman.png]] A '''beast talisman''' is a [[talisman]] that changes you into '''Beast Form''', a wild, hulking form that grants bonuses to melee.
+[[File:beast talisman.png]] A '''beast talisman''' is a [[talisman]] that changes you into '''Beast Form''', a wild, hulking form that grants bonuses to physical combat.
 [[Shapeshifter]]s start with this item, and start the game in Beast Form.
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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
 *'''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 3 base damage (''no boost'').
-*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to melee combat (including weapons), throwing and ranged weapons, increasing your damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.31-b1|transform.cc|1045}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
+*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]], increasing your damage and accuracy with melee, ranged, and thrown weapons (including Unarmed Combat). Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.32.0|transform.cc|1031}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
 '''Restrictions'''
 *'''[[Transformation#Useful Info|Melded Gear]]:''' All [[armour]] ''except'' for [[body armour]] and [[shield]]s. (This includes [[helmet]]s/[[hat]]s, [[cloak]]s, [[gloves]], and [[boots]]/[[barding]]s.)
-Beast Form does not block any [[mutation]]s, does not change your [[size]], and gives no innate bonus to HP / [[AC]].
+Beast Form does not block any [[mutation]]s, does not change your [[size]], and gives no innate bonus to [[HP]] / [[AC]].
 Beast Form has no minimum [[Shapeshifting]] skill. It has a maximum skill of 7; further skill has no further impact.

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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
 *'''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 3 base damage (''no boost'').
-*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to all melee combat (including weapons), throwing and ranged weapons, increasing your damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.31-b1|transform.cc|1045}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
+*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to melee combat (including weapons), throwing and ranged weapons, increasing your damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.31-b1|transform.cc|1045}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
 '''Restrictions'''

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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
 *'''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 3 base damage (''no boost'').
-*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to all melee combat (including weapons), increasing damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.31-b1|transform.cc|1045}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
+*'''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to all melee combat (including weapons), throwing and ranged weapons, increasing your damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill.<ref>{{source ref|0.31-b1|transform.cc|1045}}</ref> (+0.57 slay per level)
 '''Restrictions'''

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 ==History==
-*Beast talismans were introduced in [[0.31]], along with the form overhaul. Beast Form is analogous to [[Beastly Appendage]].
+*Beast talismans were introduced in [[0.31]], along with talismans themselves. Beast Form is analogous to [[Beastly Appendage]].
 ==References==

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 ===Skill Analysis===
-Even [[Shapeshifter]]s might not want to train Shapeshifting skill right away. In general, Shapeshifting (for Beast Form) offers less return than training Unarmed Combat, but more return than a weapon skill, before considering [[aptitude]]s.
+Even [[Shapeshifter]]s might not want to train Shapeshifting skill right away. When considering Beast Form alone: each level of Shapeshifting offers less return than a level of Unarmed Combat, but more return than a level of weapon skill.
 Benefits of each skill:
 *1 Shapeshifting skill, assuming Beast Form, gives +0.57 slay per level, equivalent to +0.57 damage and [[accuracy]].
 *1 weapon skill will give benefits depending on the weapon itself. Examples:
 **A [[short sword]] gets +0.1 base damage, +0.5 accuracy, and -0.05 [[attack delay]] (5% to 10% faster) per [[Short Blades]] level (not including [[stabbing]] bonuses).
 **A [[mace]] gets +0.16 base damage, +0.5 accuracy, and -0.05 [[attack delay]] (4% to 9% faster) per [[Maces & Flails|M&F]] level.
-*1 Unarmed Combat skill gives +1 base damage, +0.5 accuracy, and slightly faster attacks.
+:'''N.B.''' Base damage is somewhat more effective than slaying, since the former benefits from skill and stat bonuses. However, in the early game, these bonuses are too small to matter: 0.16 base damage is not better than 0.57 slay.
-Therefore, early levels of Unarmed Combat are more beneficial than the same levels of Shapeshifting. As levels get more expensive, eventually a level of 2 of Shapeshifting becomes more cost-effective. A similar comparison can be made with Shapeshifting and weapon skill.
+Therefore, early levels of Unarmed Combat are more important than the same levels of Shapeshifting. As levels get more expensive, eventually a level of 2 of Shapeshifting becomes more cost-effective. A similar comparison can be made with Shapeshifting and weapon skill.
 If you decide to abandon Shapeshifting, a weapon skill is the more lasting choice. But if you want to go for [[Flux Form]], Shapeshifting is obviously more important.

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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
-* '''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' set to 3 base damage (''no boost'').
+* '''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 3 base damage (''no boost'').
 * '''[[Slaying]] Bonus:''' adds 0-4 [[slaying]] to all melee combat (including weapons), increasing damage and accuracy. Scales linearly with Shapeshifting skill. (+0.57 slay per level) <!-- [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/916a98a20d8754ba65854895a2b31a2bc3f0b265/crawl-ref/source/transform.cc#L973 transform.cc]) -->