Demon whip - Revision history

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 ==Strategy==
-Demon weapons are often found on the [[hell knight]]s in the [[Depths]] and the [[Vestibule of Hell]], often with good [[enchant]]ment levels and [[brand]]s. They can also be found early in the hands of [[Amaemon]].
+Demon whips can sometimes be found early in the hands of [[Amaemon]], who carries a demon whip of [[venom]] with a negative enchantment. Other than that, they can be found often by [[balrug]]s and [[hell knight]]s, both found around [[Depths]] and the [[Vestibule of Hell]].
 ===Compared to eveningstar===

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 The differences between demon whips and [[eveningstar]]s are small. A +9 [[brand]]ed eveningstar is enough to win you the game, as is a +9 branded demon whip. Generally, the weapon you get ''first'' should be the one that you use. (The weapon you get first can benefit first from [[scrolls of enchant weapon]]).
-There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s. Characters with lots of auxiliary attacks, like [[Vine Stalker]]s and monstrous [[Demonspawn]] will prefer a demon whip. Otherwise, it is mostly even, slightly favored towards the eveningstar. This is independent of a character's [[strength]] or skill.
+There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s. Characters with lots of auxiliary attacks, like [[Vine Stalker]]s and monstrous [[Demonspawn]] will prefer a demon whip. Otherwise, it is mostly even: if you are at mindelay with both weapons, the eveningstar is favored slightly. This is independent of a character's [[strength]] or skill.
 ==History==

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-{{flavour|A terrible weapon, woven in the depths of the inferno.}}
+{{flavour|A terrible weapon, woven in the depths of the inferno.
 {{crawlquote|This weapon falls into the [[Maces & Flails]] category. It is a one handed weapon.}}

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 The differences between demon whips and [[eveningstar]]s are small. A +9 [[brand]]ed eveningstar is enough to win you the game, as is a +9 branded demon whip. Generally, the weapon you get ''first'' should be the one that you use. (The weapon you get first can benefit first from [[scrolls of enchant weapon]]).
-There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s. Characters with lots of auxiliary attacks, like [[vine stalker]]s and monstrous [[demonspawn]] will prefer a demon whip. Otherwise, it is mostly even, slightly favored towards the eveningstar. This is independent of a character's [[strength]] or skill.
+There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s. Characters with lots of auxiliary attacks, like [[Vine Stalker]]s and monstrous [[Demonspawn]] will prefer a demon whip. Otherwise, it is mostly even, slightly favored towards the eveningstar. This is independent of a character's [[strength]] or skill.
 ==History==

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 The differences between demon whips and [[eveningstar]]s are small. A +9 [[brand]]ed eveningstar is enough to win you the game, as is a +9 branded demon whip. Generally, the weapon you get ''first'' should be the one that you use. (The weapon you get first can benefit first from [[scrolls of enchant weapon]]).
-There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s.
+There are cases where specific comparison is warranted, such as [[artefact]] weapons. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s. Characters with lots of auxiliary attacks, like [[vine stalker]]s and monstrous [[demonspawn]] will prefer a demon whip. Otherwise, it is mostly even, slightly favored towards the eveningstar. This is independent of a character's [[strength]] or skill.
 ==History==

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 '''Demon whips''' are one of the best one-handed weapons. They have a superb mindelay and good damage output.
-Worshipers of [[good]] [[god]]s cannot attack with them without suffering [[penance]]. Worshippers of [[the Shining One]] can convert a demon whip into a [[sacred scourge]], with better stats and the [[holy wrath]] brand. You can reverse the process with [[Kikubaaqudgha]]'s or [[Lugonu]]'s blessing.
+Worshippers of [[good]] [[god]]s cannot attack with them without suffering [[penance]]. However, worshippers of [[the Shining One]] can convert a demon whip into a [[sacred scourge]], with better stats and the [[holy wrath]] brand. You can reverse the process with [[Kikubaaqudgha]]'s or [[Lugonu]]'s blessing.
 ==Strategy==

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 ===Compared to eveningstar===
-The differences between demon whips and [[eveningstar]]s are small. A +9 [[brand]]ed eveningstar is enough to win you the game, as is a +9 branded demon whip. Therefore, you should generally be using the weapon that you find ''first'', as it allows you to use up [[scrolls of enchant weapon]] faster.
+The differences between demon whips and [[eveningstar]]s are small. A +9 [[brand]]ed eveningstar is enough to win you the game, as is a +9 branded demon whip. Therefore, the weapon you get ''first'' should (generally) be the one that you use.
 There are cases where specific comparison is warranted. Against a 0 AC opponent, a +0 demon whip is roughly 2.6% stronger than a +0 eveningstar. The demon whip attacks faster, so it is penalized more by [[AC]], and conversely benefits more from [[slaying]] and [[auxiliary attack]]s.