Derived undead - Revision history

Hordes: /* History */ specify

2024-01-16T12:11:50Z

‎History: specify

Hordes: de-CBA

2024-01-16T12:11:32Z

de-CBA

Hordes: /* Useful Info */

2023-11-03T17:28:16Z

‎Useful Info

Hordes: re-mention that zombies / skeles / simulacra don't regenerate

2023-10-31T06:30:20Z

re-mention that zombies / skeles / simulacra don't regenerate

Hordes at 06:20, 31 October 2023

2023-10-31T06:20:11Z

Hordes: /* Useful Info */ even if a monster has AF_PLAIN, it's replaced by simulacra cold

2023-10-31T06:18:45Z

‎Useful Info: even if a monster has AF_PLAIN, it's replaced by simulacra cold

Hordes: /* Useful Info */

2023-10-18T23:54:08Z

‎Useful Info

Hordes: bump template, also from testing the drain brand applies to all attacks

2023-10-18T23:52:30Z

bump template, also from testing the drain brand applies to all attacks

Hordes: version bump, CBA a22c3bf

2023-10-18T23:48:55Z

version bump, CBA a22c3bf

Spudwalt at 07:09, 20 December 2022

2022-12-20T07:09:50Z

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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.31]], derived undead would become hostile if you attacked them.
+*Prior to [[0.31]], allied derived undead would become hostile if you attacked them.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], zombie creation was based off [[corpse]] generation. This meant that corpseless monsters, like [[slime creature]]s and [[Orb Guardian]]s, could not be zombies. [[Yredelemnul]]'s zombies could attack from outside [[line of sight]].
 *Prior [[0.28]], derived undead used their [[type|species]] to determine stats, so an [[orc warlord]] zombie was only as strong as an [[orc]]. Yredelemnul's Enslave Soul created a spectral thing (still with spells and abilities) instead of a bound soul. Also, spectral things lost reach, constrict, and trample upon revival.

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 '''Derived undead''' refers to a subset of [[undead]] monsters which take their stats from a base monster. For example, a hydra [[zombie]] is a modified version of a [[hydra]].
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 All other properties, including any spells or innate abilities, are lost. Derived undead creatures cannot use [[stairs]], and most player-created undead will fall apart after a time. Undead created by [[Yredelemnul]]'s passive reaping aura will last until destroyed or you exit the current floor.
 [[Yredelemnul]]'s bound soul is an exception to many of these rules - the bound soul retains its spells/abilities, can use stairs, and is not mindless.
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 ==History==
-*In [[0.31]], derived undead will no longer become hostile if you attack them.
+*Prior to [[0.31]], derived undead would become hostile if you attacked them.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], zombie creation was based off [[corpse]] generation. This meant that corpseless monsters, like [[slime creature]]s and [[Orb Guardian]]s, could not be zombies. [[Yredelemnul]]'s zombies could attack from outside [[line of sight]].
 *Prior [[0.28]], derived undead used their [[type|species]] to determine stats, so an [[orc warlord]] zombie was only as strong as an [[orc]]. Yredelemnul's Enslave Soul created a spectral thing (still with spells and abilities) instead of a bound soul. Also, spectral things lost reach, constrict, and trample upon revival.
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 *Melee attacks' quantity and damage are taken from the base form, then the damage is reduced by 20%.
 *All [[attack flavour]]s except [[reach]], [[constrict]], and [[trample]] are lost.
-**New attack flavours may be added, based on undead type. For any attack that currently has no attack flavour, simulacra gain cold attacks, while spectral things gain draining attacks.
+*New attack flavours may be added, based on undead type. For any attack without reach/constrict/trample, simulacra gain cold attacks, while spectral things gain draining attacks.
 *Resistances are lost and replaced with the usual [[undead]] resistances (poison immunity, rC+ or higher, rN+++, rMiasma, vulnerable to holy).
 *All derived undead become [[mindless]].

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 *'''Attack flavour:''' Plain
-Zombies and skeletons cannot use items, unless a [[vault]] generates the undead with an item.
+Zombies and skeletons do not regenerate HP over time. They cannot use items, unless a [[vault]] generates the undead with an item.
 ==[[Skeleton_(monster)|Skeleton]]s==
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 *'''Attack flavour:''' [[Cold]] (does an extra HD to 3*HD - 1 cold damage per attack)
 *'''Special:''' Leaves behind a freezing [[cloud]] when destroyed
 ==[[Spectral thing]]s==

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 *Melee attacks' quantity and damage are taken from the base form, then the damage is reduced by 20%.
 *All [[attack flavour]]s except [[reach]], [[constrict]], and [[trample]] are lost.
-**For any attack without an attack flavour, simulacra gain cold attacks, while spectral things gain draining attacks.
+**New attack flavours may be added, based on undead type. For any attack that currently has no attack flavour, simulacra gain cold attacks, while spectral things gain draining attacks.
 *Resistances are lost and replaced with the usual [[undead]] resistances (poison immunity, rC+ or higher, rN+++, rMiasma, vulnerable to holy).
 *All derived undead become [[mindless]].

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 '''Derived undead''' refers to a subset of [[undead]] monsters which take their stats from a base monster. For example, a hydra [[zombie]] is a modified version of a [[hydra]].
-There are four kinds of derived undead: [[zombie]]s, [[skeleton (monster)|skeleton]]s, [[simulacrum (monster)|simulacra]], and [[spectral thing]]s. Other types of undead, such as [[Infestation]]'s [[death scarab]]s, may be created from Necromancy, but their stats are independent of their host.
+There are four kinds of derived undead: [[zombie]]s, [[skeleton (monster)|skeleton]]s, [[simulacrum (monster)|simulacra]], and [[spectral thing]]s. Other types of undead, such as [[Infestation]]'s [[death scarab]]s, may be created from a monster, but their stats are independent of their host.
 ==Useful Info==
-All derived undead take stats and modify them from their base form. The following properties are taken from the base form:
+All derived undead take stats and modify them from their base form. The following properties apply to all types of derived undead:
 *[[HD]] is retained.
 *[[AC]], [[EV]], and [[Movement#Monster Speed|speed]] are taken from the base form, then generally reduced (depending on the type of undead).
 *Melee attacks' quantity and damage are taken from the base form, then the damage is reduced by 20%.
 *All [[attack flavour]]s except [[reach]], [[constrict]], and [[trample]] are lost.
 *Resistances are lost and replaced with the usual [[undead]] resistances (poison immunity, rC+ or higher, rN+++, rMiasma, vulnerable to holy).
 *All derived undead become [[mindless]].
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 *'''Speed:''' Original - 2 (at least 3)
 *'''Cold resistance:''' rC+++
-*'''Attack flavour:''' [[Freezing]] (does an extra HD to 3*HD - 1 cold damage per attack)
+*'''Attack flavour:''' [[Cold]] (does an extra HD to 3*HD - 1 cold damage per attack)
 *'''Special:''' Leaves behind a freezing [[cloud]] when destroyed
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 *'''Speed:''' Original
 *'''Cold resistance:''' rC+
-*'''Attack flavour:''' Up to two attacks will be given the [[drain experience|draining]] flavour. The rest will be plain.
+*'''Attack flavour:''' [[Drain experience|Draining]].
 *'''Special:''' Can [[fly]], regenerate normally, [[see invisible]], are [[insubstantial]], and have infinite [[willpower]].

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 {{version028}}
-'''Derived undead''' refers to any [[undead]] monsters that are derived from a base monster. Instead of having set properties, their stats are modified from those of the creature they were in life. There are four kinds of derived undead: [[zombie]]s, [[skeleton (monster)|skeleton]]s, [[simulacrum (monster)|simulacra]], and [[spectral thing]]s.
+'''Derived undead''' refers to a subset of [[undead]] monsters which take their stats from a base monster. For example, a hydra [[zombie]] is a modified version of a [[hydra]].
-While [[abomination]]s are created from the corpses of dead monsters, their stats are not related to those of the original monsters used in their construction (although they are related to the total HD of corpses used to assemble them).
+There are four kinds of derived undead: [[zombie]]s, [[skeleton (monster)|skeleton]]s, [[simulacrum (monster)|simulacra]], and [[spectral thing]]s. Other types of undead, such as [[Infestation]]'s [[death scarab]]s, may be created from Necromancy, but their stats are independent of their host.
-==Common Properties==
+==Useful Info==
-All derived undead have the same number of [[HD]] as their base form, though many of their other stats are different. Derived undead that are not spectral things have 2 less speed than their living form (to a minimum of 3), so that undead normal-speed monsters are slower than most players. Derived undead are also reduced to [[monster intelligence|mindless]] automatons regardless of the living monster's intelligence.
+All derived undead take stats and modify them from their base form. The following properties are taken from the base form:
+*[[HD]] is retained.
-Derived undead lose all special attack properties other than [[reach]], [[constriction]], and [[trample]]; these properties override any properties granted by the type of undead (i.e. simulacra and spectral things can't reach ''and'' inflict cold/draining damage). Each attack's damage is also reduced by 20%, up to a maximum reduction of 4 per attack; an undead [[quicksilver dragon]], whose base form's attacks deal 25 and 20 damage, will have a 21 damage attack and a 16 damage attack.
+*[[AC]], [[EV]], and [[Movement#Monster Speed|speed]] are taken from the base form, then generally reduced (depending on the type of undead).
+*Melee attacks' quantity and damage are taken from the base form, then the damage is reduced by 20%.
-All derived undead also lose all of their original resistances and vulnerabilities in favor of the standard undead resistances and vulnerabilities: immunity to poison, negative energy, drowning, and torment, and vulnerability to holy effects. They also gain cold resistance to differing degrees (see below), and their [[willpower]] is calculated using only their [[hit dice]]. Unusually strong-willed monsters like [[death yak]]s are considerably easier to hex after reanimation.
+*All [[attack flavour]]s except [[reach]], [[constrict]], and [[trample]] are lost.
 A few other properties will also be retained by undead monsters, if their base form had it:
 *The ability to [[fly]], even for skeletons of winged monsters and other creatures which arguably shouldn't be physically capable of flight.
 *The monster's natural habitat. [[Kraken]] zombies are still confined to deep water, but [[sea snake]] zombies will not suddenly forget how to swim.
 All other properties, including any spells or innate abilities, are lost. Derived undead creatures cannot use [[stairs]], and most player-created undead will fall apart after a time. Undead created by [[Yredelemnul]]'s passive reaping aura will last until destroyed or you exit the current floor.
 ==[[Zombie]]s==
-[[File:Zombie human.png]] The most basic form of derived undead, zombies are almost invariably sturdier than their base monster, but are also slower and clumsier.
+[[File:Zombie human.png]] The most basic form of derived undead, zombies are usually sturdier than their base monster, but are also slower and clumsier.
 *'''HP:''' (HD)d5 + 6*HD
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 *'''Attack flavour:''' Plain
-Zombies and skeletons cannot normally use items, but they will continue to use any equipment the original monster was wearing, provided such items have not been picked up before the zombie/skeleton is raised. Don't worry about losing out on items -- your undead minions will eventually decay, allowing you to reclaim any interesting weapons or armour.
+Zombies and skeletons cannot use items, unless a [[vault]] generates the undead with an item.
 ==[[Skeleton_(monster)|Skeleton]]s==
-[[File:Skeleton medium humanoid.png]] Skeletons are similar to zombies, but have worse HP, AC, and EV. The benefit to creating skeletons is that you can use the flesh of the original monster for other purposes, such as creating [[simulacra]] or using [[Corpse Rot]]. Note that some monsters can be made into zombies, but not skeletons (most notably [[list of arthropods|insects]], but other examples exist). The reverse is true for a very few enemies (mostly the [[Undead#Ghouls|ghoul-type]] enemies); these can be raised as skeletons, but never zombies.
+[[File:Skeleton medium humanoid.png]] Skeletons are similar to zombies, but weaker. Note that some monsters can be made into zombies, but not skeletons (most notably [[list of arthropods|insects]], who lack internal skeletons, but other examples exist).
 *'''HP:''' (HD)d4 + 5*HD
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 *'''Cold resistance:''' rC+
 *'''Attack flavour:''' Up to two attacks will be given the [[drain experience|draining]] flavour. The rest will be plain.
-*'''Special:''' Can [[fly]], regenerate normally, [[see invisible]], are [[insubstantial]], and are [[willpower|completely immune to enchantments]].
+*'''Special:''' Can [[fly]], regenerate normally, [[see invisible]], are [[insubstantial]], and have infinite [[willpower]].
 Spectral things created by the spell [[Death Channel]] will eventually fade. [[Yredelemnul]]'s reaping will create spectral things for monsters without corpses that last until you leave the floor.
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 Unlike regular derived undead, bound souls are permanent allies so long as you continue to worship Yredelemnul. They will not fade over time and will follow you through stairs.
 ==History==
-*Prior [[0.28]], Yredelemnul's Enslave Soul created a spectral thing (still with spells and abilities) instead of a bound soul. Spectral things also lost reach, constrict, and trample upon revival.
+*In [[0.31]], derived undead will no longer become hostile if you attack them.
 *Prior to version [[0.19]], most derived undead would take damage from their maximum HP, making it more difficult to determine how injured they were.
 *Prior to version [[0.17]], player-generated zombies and skeletons were permanent, allowing necromancers to leave shambling hordes on previous floors.
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