Gyre and Gimble - Revision history

Hordes: /* Desirability */

2025-12-22T04:21:14Z

‎Desirability

Hordes: chaotic is worth mentioning in "G&G normally can't get a flat damage brand"

2025-12-22T04:20:38Z

chaotic is worth mentioning in "G&G normally can't get a flat damage brand"

Patrick2011b: bump

2025-05-09T20:34:10Z

bump

Ge0ff: add how many auxes you can get per one move

2024-12-29T13:24:33Z

add how many auxes you can get per one move

Patrick2011b: bump; gameplay indicates that G&G make 4 sets of aux attacks per command

2024-12-27T20:35:31Z

bump; gameplay indicates that G&G make 4 sets of aux attacks per command

Ge0ff: /* Desirability */ "turn" is ambiguous here

2024-01-15T19:40:05Z

‎Desirability: "turn" is ambiguous here

Hordes: /* History */

2024-01-15T07:44:03Z

‎History

Hordes: de CBA

2024-01-14T11:03:56Z

de CBA

Hordes: /* Desirability */ correct & -> and

2023-12-28T06:20:55Z

‎Desirability: correct & -> and

Hordes: slight adjustments

2023-12-28T06:20:23Z

slight adjustments

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 '''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.33.0|art-data.txt|1429}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
-*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are typically unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]]. ''Exception:'' if you worship [[Xom]], you may find unrands with an added [[chaos]] brand - a chaotic Gyre and Gimbe is an absurdly strong weapon.
+*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are typically unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]]. ''Exception:'' if you worship [[Xom]], you may find unrands with an added [[chaos]] brand - a chaotic Gyre and Gimble is an absurdly strong weapon.
 *Conversely, enemy [[AC]] reduces damage by a flat amount. You'll tear through low-AC monsters, but high-AC threats will often shrug off the blows. You can get past this by [[stab]]bing opponents or with liberal use of [[might]] and/or [[berserk]].

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 '''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.33.0|art-data.txt|1429}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
-*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]].
+*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are typically unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]]. ''Exception:'' if you worship [[Xom]], you may find unrands with an added [[chaos]] brand - a chaotic Gyre and Gimbe is an absurdly strong weapon.
 *Conversely, enemy [[AC]] reduces damage by a flat amount. You'll tear through low-AC monsters, but high-AC threats will often shrug off the blows. You can get past this by [[stab]]bing opponents or with liberal use of [[might]] and/or [[berserk]].

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 {{flavour|Two quick blades joined by a chain. Swinging one compels the wielder to swing the other, as if they have minds of their own.}}
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 ==Desirability==
-'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|art-data.txt|1427}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
+'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.33.0|art-data.txt|1429}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
 *Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]].

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 [[Protection]] [[brand]]<br>
-Each swing attacks four times<br>
+Each swing attacks four times. Additionally, you can perform up to four [[auxiliary attacks]], depending on their trigger chance.<br>
 [[Handedness|Two-handed]] (except for [[Formicid]]s)

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 {{flavour|Two quick blades joined by a chain. Swinging one compels the wielder to swing the other, as if they have minds of their own.}}
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 ==Desirability==
-'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.30.0|art-data.txt|1431}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
+'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|art-data.txt|1427}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per 1 decaAut, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
 *Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]].
 *Conversely, enemy [[AC]] reduces damage by a flat amount. You'll tear through low-AC monsters, but high-AC threats will often shrug off the blows. You can get past this by [[stab]]bing opponents or with liberal use of [[might]] and/or [[berserk]].

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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.31]], Gyre and Gimble only made 2 attacks per swing, as [[quick blade]]s only made 1 attack per swing. However, all quick blades (including G&G) had lower attack delays. Also, Gyre and Gimble had a +12 enchantment.
+*Prior to [[0.31]], Gyre and Gimble only made 2 attacks per swing, as regular [[quick blade]]s only made 1 attack per swing. However, all quick blades (including G&G) had lower attack delays, and Gyre and Gimble had a +12 enchantment.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Gyre and Gimble had a +7 enchantment.
 *Prior to [[0.24]], Gyre and Gimble had a +5 enchantment, the [[vorpal]] brand, and a -3 penalty to [[dexterity]].

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 {{flavour|Two quick blades joined by a chain. Swinging one compels the wielder to swing the other, as if they have minds of their own.}}
-[[File:Gyre and Gimble.png]] '''''the +12 pair of quick blades "Gyre" and "Gimble"'''''
+[[File:Gyre and Gimble.png]] '''''the +8 pair of quick blades "Gyre" and "Gimble"'''''
-+12 [[quick blade]]
++8 [[quick blade]]
 [[Protection]] [[brand]]<br>
-Each swing attacks twice<br>
+Each swing attacks four times<br>
 [[Handedness|Two-handed]] (except for [[Formicid]]s)
 ==Desirability==
-'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.30.0|art-data.txt|1431}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack twice per command. With up to 6.6 attacks per turn, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
+'''Gyre and Gimble'''<ref>{{source ref|0.30.0|art-data.txt|1431}}</ref> are an unusual weapon - thematically two weapons, they are treated as a single two-handed weapon that happens to attack four times per command (twice that of normal quick blades). With up to 8 attacks per turn, Gyre and Gimble take the strengths of Short Blades to an extreme - they are impacted more by 'flat' bonuses and enemy [[AC]].
-*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is twice as good if you attack twice as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]].
+*Flat bonuses, like [[slaying]], are amplified: dealing +1 damage/hit is four times as good if you attack four times as fast. Unfortunately, Gyre and Gimble, as protection weapons, are unable to benefit from flat damage brands like [[electrocution]] or [[pain (brand)|pain]].
-**Note that Gyre and Gimble can only perform 1 set of [[auxiliary attack]]s per swing. Having an aux attack with G&G is as effective as any ordinary quick blade, which is still ''good'', just not twice-as-good.
+**Note that Gyre and Gimble can only perform 2 sets of [[auxiliary attack]]s per swing. Having an aux attack with G&G is as effective as any ordinary quick blade, which is still ''good'', just not twice-as-good.
 *Conversely, enemy [[AC]] reduces damage by a flat amount. You'll tear through low-AC monsters, but high-AC threats will often shrug off the blows. You can get past this by [[stab]]bing opponents or with liberal use of [[might]] and/or [[berserk]].
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 ==History==
-*In [[0.31]], Gyre and Gimble will make 4 attacks/swing (as quick blades now make 2 attacks/swing), but the attack delay will be higher. Also, the enchantment will be lowered from +12 to +8.
+*Prior to [[0.31]], Gyre and Gimble only made 2 attacks per swing, as [[quick blade]]s only made 1 attack per swing. However, all quick blades (including G&G) had lower attack delays. Also, Gyre and Gimble had a +12 enchantment.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Gyre and Gimble had a +7 enchantment.
 *Prior to [[0.24]], Gyre and Gimble had a +5 enchantment, the [[vorpal]] brand, and a -3 penalty to [[dexterity]].
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 [[Category:Short blades]]
 [[Category:Unrands]]