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Ge0ff: /* History */ Characters cannot become carnivorous or herbivorous via random mutations since 291ab9b34b

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‎History: Characters cannot become carnivorous or herbivorous via random mutations since 291ab9b34b

Spudwalt at 03:17, 3 May 2020

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GenericPseudonym: Remove a lot of obsolete saprovore info, plus some other minor edits

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Remove a lot of obsolete saprovore info, plus some other minor edits

Seren: /* Save Your Permafoods */

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‎Save Your Permafoods

Seren at 15:28, 25 February 2016

2016-02-25T15:28:24Z

Seren: Poisonous meat is gone, Rotting meat is gone, STR to carry is gone

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Poisonous meat is gone, Rotting meat is gone, STR to carry is gone

MoogleDan at 15:39, 3 February 2015

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MoogleDan: /* History */

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‎History

MoogleDan: Expanded History. Will work on 0.15 update later today.

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Expanded History. Will work on 0.15 update later today.

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-[[Hunger]] poses a threat to any adventurer. Here are some '''hunger management''' tips to keep you from starving long enough that you can die a proper, honorable death (we recommend being eaten by [[yak]]s).
+[[Hunger]] poses a threat to any adventurer. Here are some '''hunger management''' tips to keep you from starving long enough that you can die a proper, honorable death (we recommend being nibbled by [[yak]]s).
 ==Species==
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 ==History==
 *Prior to its removal in [[0.17]], poison resistant characters could eat poisonous meat.
 *Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly, and characters could become partially or completely carnivorous or herbivorous through mutations. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.

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 ==History==
 *Prior to its removal in [[0.17]], poison resistant characters could eat poisonous meat.
-*Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.
+*Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly, and characters could become partially or completely carnivorous or herbivorous through mutations. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.
 *Prior to [[0.14]], [[harpies]] and [[giant spore]]s had attacks that could destroy the food in your [[inventory]].
 *Between versions [[0.10]] and [[0.13]], the [[Nausea]] [[status effect]] made eating [[chunk]]s from contaminated sources a potentially dangerous proposition.
-Prior to [[0.12]], characters needed to be wielding a sharp weapon (or have [[claws]] or [[talons]]) in order to butcher corpses. This made cursed blunt weapons surprisingly dangerous. Also, spriggans could use the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell to turn most corpses into a source of nutrition.
+*Prior to [[0.12]], characters needed to be wielding a sharp weapon (or have [[claws]] or [[talons]]) in order to butcher corpses. This made cursed blunt weapons surprisingly dangerous. Also, spriggans could use the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell to turn most corpses into a source of nutrition.

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 ===Lichform===
-Casters who have learned the [[Necromutation]] spell can use this to get around the issue of hunger by entering a temporary state of undeath. Being in lichform means you require no food whatsoever so long as you maintain it by recasting it every once in a while; it also gives you several nifty bonuses and resistances. There are downsides to this strategy; Necromutation is an extremely difficult spell to cast effectively, you gain the various undead weaknesses in addition to the strengths, and the spell completely removes the ability to eat or drink, rendering potions and foods like [[royal jelly]] useless.
+Casters who have learned the [[Necromutation]] spell can use this to get around the issue of hunger by entering a temporary state of undeath. Being in lichform means you require no food whatsoever so long as you maintain it by recasting it every once in a while; it also gives you several nifty bonuses and resistances. There are downsides to this strategy; Necromutation is an extremely difficult spell to cast effectively, you gain the various undead weaknesses in addition to the strengths, and the spell completely removes the ability to eat or drink, rendering potions and foods like [[royal jelly (item)|royal jelly]] useless.
 ==Save Your Permafoods==
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 ==History==
-Prior to [[0.17]], poison resistant characters could eat poisonous meat (that is also gone).
+*In previous versions, characters could become partially or completely carnivorous or herbivorous through mutations.
+*Prior to its removal in [[0.17]], poison resistant characters could eat poisonous meat.
-Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.
+*Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.
+*Prior to [[0.14]], [[harpies]] and [[giant spore]]s had attacks that could destroy the food in your [[inventory]].
-Prior to [[0.14]], [[harpies]] and [[giant spore]]s had attacks that could destroy the food in your [[inventory]].
+*Between versions [[0.10]] and [[0.13]], the [[Nausea]] [[status effect]] made eating [[chunk]]s from contaminated sources a potentially dangerous proposition.
 Prior to [[0.12]], characters needed to be wielding a sharp weapon (or have [[claws]] or [[talons]]) in order to butcher corpses. This made cursed blunt weapons surprisingly dangerous. Also, spriggans could use the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell to turn most corpses into a source of nutrition.

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 Carnivorous races include [[felid]]s, [[kobold]]s, and any character who gains ranks in the Carnivore mutation (and [[ghoul]]s, but they're a special case and have their own section below). Partial carnivores (those who have one or two ranks of the mutation) gain more benefit from eating meat and can eat raw flesh more often, but gain less nutrition from eating any sort of vegetation. Full carnivores (i.e. felids, kobolds, and those rank 3 of the mutation) can eat [[chunk]]s at any time, but cannot eat any of the various kinds of fruit or bread rations.
-Carnivorous characters probably have the fewest problems with hunger, as corpses are by far the most plentiful supply of food in the dungeon. Kobolds have it even easier than most due to their additional [[saprovore]] trait, which allows them to tolerate contaminated meat and even eat rotten flesh. If you're playing a carnivorous character, there is no reason for your satiation level to ever fall below Very Full unless you are in an area where edible corpses are hard to find, such as [[The Crypt]] or [[The Abyss]]. If you wish to explore those areas, be sure to carry some nonperishable rations with you. In general, try to consume corpses and save [[permafood]] until you need it in the very late game.
+Carnivorous characters probably have the fewest problems with hunger, as corpses are by far the most plentiful supply of food in the dungeon. If you're playing a carnivorous character, there is no reason for your satiation level to ever fall below Very Full unless you are in an area where edible corpses are hard to find, such as [[The Crypt]] or [[The Abyss]]. If you wish to explore those areas, be sure to carry some nonperishable rations with you. In general, try to consume corpses and save [[permafood]] until you need it in the very late game.
 ===[[Herbivore]]s===
-[[Spriggan]]s are fully herbivorous: completely incapable of eating meat.  Unlike carnivores, herbivores have significant difficulty finding food because vegetation is not an easily renewable resource. Fruit and bread, while fairly common, will be exhausted outside of [[Pandemonium]] or [[Abyss]].  However, Spriggans have a very slow metabolism, which helps quite a bit.
+[[Spriggan]]s are fully herbivorous: completely incapable of eating meat.  Unlike carnivores, herbivores have significant difficulty finding food because vegetation is not an easily renewable resource. Fruit and bread, while fairly common, will be exhausted outside of [[Pandemonium]] or [[Abyss]]. Spriggans have a very slow metabolism, so they don't have much to fear from natural hunger. However, they need to be more careful about the hunger costs of abilities and spells.
 ===Trolls===
-Troll characters start off with the gourmand intrinsic (as well as Saprovore 2), which allows them to eat meat as if they were a carnivore without sacrificing the ability to eat vegetables. This is an absolute necessity as their incredibly fast metabolism means they basically need to be eating everything in sight. If you're playing a troll, eat chunks whenever possible, expect to need to eat some of your more permanent food supplies on a semi-regular basis, and consider avoiding corpse-free branches entirely.
+Troll characters start off with the gourmand intrinsic, which allows them to eat meat as if they were a carnivore without sacrificing the ability to eat vegetables. This is an absolute necessity as their incredibly fast metabolism means they basically need to be eating everything in sight. If you're playing a troll, eat chunks whenever possible, expect to need to eat some of your more permanent food supplies on a semi-regular basis, and consider avoiding corpse-free branches entirely.
 ===[[Ghoul]]s===
-Ghouls are carnivorous saprovores with a twist; instead of simply tolerating contaminated or rotten meat, they thrive on it. As they are undead, they cannot starve to death, but their bodies will [[rot]] every so often and this process speeds up when they are hungry. They can fix the rot (and heal themselves) by eating meat, particularly if it's rotten or contaminated. As such, it is generally beneficial for a ghoul character to carry around a bunch of chunks in various stages of decomposition in order to ensure that they always have something to eat when they need it.
+Ghouls are carnivores with a twist. As they are undead, they cannot starve to death, but their bodies will [[rot]] every so often and this process speeds up when they are hungry. They can fix the rot (and heal themselves) by eating meat, and they even have the unique ability to consume inedible chunks. Ghouls never become full, so they can always eat more meat to cure rot and heal HP. They can also eat meat-based permafood, but this is only useful for staving off hunger, as it doesn't heal rot or HP.
 ===[[Vampire]]s===
-Unlike other races, vampires subsist only on blood. At first, they must drink blood from fresh corpses (use '''[[e]]''' when standing over one), but later they gain the ability to create potions of blood from corpses to save for later. If they go without blood, vampires do not starve (in fact, they gain several helpful resistances) but their ability to regenerate health slows and eventually ceases entirely. So while a vampire doesn't have to worry about starving to death, going without blood still isn't entirely safe. Manipulating blood levels is an intrinsic part of a vampire's strategy, so you should plan ahead to determine how thirsty you should be for certain areas.
+Unlike other races, vampires subsist only on blood. They can drink blood from fresh corpses (use '''[[e]]''' when standing over one), or they can [[potion of blood|bottle]] some of the blood for later (by pressing '''[[c]]'''), although it won't last forever. If they go without blood, vampires do not starve (in fact, they gain several helpful resistances) but their ability to regenerate health slows and eventually ceases entirely. So while a vampire doesn't have to worry about starving to death, going without blood still isn't entirely safe. Manipulating blood levels is an intrinsic part of a vampire's strategy, so you should plan ahead to determine how thirsty you should be for certain areas.
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 ==Dealing With Meat ==
-Most monsters will drop either clean, contaminated, or poisonous meat, some of which may or may not be options for you depending on your character's [[species]]. Clean chunks are obviously preferable, but most characters can manage well enough by eating contaminated chunks.[[Saprovore]]s like [[kobold]]s, [[hill orc]]s, and [[ogre]]s gain more nutrition from contaminated meat and can even eat rotten flesh in a pinch.
+Amulets of the gourmand are extremely helpful in maintaining satiation. They boost the amount of nutrition you get from meat, and more importantly they allow consumption of chunks while not hungry (like a troll). With an amulet of the gourmand, you can eat yourself all the way up to Engorged, then switch back to another amulet until you get hungry, then repeat the process.
 In dire emergencies, you might try [[polymorph]]ing monsters and hope they turn into something edible. However, this is an absolute last resort, as you are not guaranteed to get something that leaves behind a corpse at all (let alone an edible one). Plus, there's always the chance that you end up facing down something you're not prepared for.
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 Under no circumstances should you eat mutagenic or rot-inducing meat only for getting food; neither type provides any nutrition, and both have side-effects that can prove disastrous. Ghouls can get away with eating rot-inducing meat, but then, ghouls can eat basically any meat without any problems.
+An average melee character with no special hunger issues can get away with one chunk of meat every couple hundred turns, which is just slightly longer than the time it takes for a corpse to rot. Thus, the average adventurer who's just eaten should wait until they've explored a bit to chop up a new corpse. Low-hunger characters like [[halfling]]s can often afford to wait until they're hungry to butcher a corpse, high-hunger characters like [[centaur]]s or ogres will want to find something new to eat soon after they're done eating a chunk, and trolls or ghouls should probably be eating just about everything they come across.
 Several things will affect how often you'll need more chunks (and therefore how often you should butcher corpses), such as heavy use of spells, invocations, or other hunger-inducing abilities; a spellcaster that has just finished a long, difficult battle may need to butcher two or three corpses (or maybe just one big one, like a [[yak]] or [[centaur (monster)|centaur]]) to get themselves back to satiated.
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 ==History==
 Prior to [[0.17]], poison resistant characters could eat poisonous meat (that is also gone).
 Between versions [[0.10]] and [[0.13]], the [[Nausea]] [[status effect]] made eating [[chunk]]s from contaminated sources a potentially dangerous proposition.
 Prior to [[0.12]], characters needed to be wielding a sharp weapon (or have [[claws]] or [[talons]]) in order to butcher corpses. This made cursed blunt weapons surprisingly dangerous. Also, spriggans could use the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell to turn most corpses into a source of nutrition.

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 ==Save Your Permafoods==
-While you will find a variety of nonperishable foods, you should rely on [[chunk]]s from corpses for nutrition. Save permafoods for branches which contain lots of creatures that are inedible (which may change depending on your species) or that don't leave corpses. Such areas include branches like [[the Snake Pit]] and [[the Spider's Nest]], which are both populated by creatures with poisonous meat, or [[the Crypt]] and [[the Slime Pits]], which are mostly populated by monsters that leave no corpses at all.
+While you will find a variety of nonperishable foods, you should rely on [[chunk]]s from corpses for nutrition. Save permafoods for branches which contain lots of creatures that are inedible (which may change depending on your species) or that don't leave corpses. Such areas include branches like [[the Snake Pit]] and [[the Spider's Nest]], which are both populated by creatures with inedible meat, or [[the Crypt]] and [[the Slime Pits]], which are mostly populated by monsters that leave no corpses at all.
 ==Dealing With Meat ==

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 Amulets of the gourmand are extremely helpful in maintaining satiation. Most importantly they also allow consumption of chunks while not hungry. With an amulet of the gourmand, you can eat yourself all the way up to Engorged, then switch back to another amulet until you get hungry, then repeat the process.
 In dire emergencies, you might try [[polymorph]]ing monsters and hope they turn into something edible. However, this is an absolute last resort, as you are not guaranteed to get something that leaves behind a corpse at all (let alone an edible one). Plus, there's always the chance that you end up facing down something you're not prepared for.
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 Under no circumstances should you eat mutagenic or rot-inducing meat only for getting food; neither type provides any nutrition, and both have side-effects that can prove disastrous. Ghouls can get away with eating rot-inducing meat, but then, ghouls can eat basically any meat without any problems.
 An average melee character with no special hunger issues can get away with one chunk of meat every couple hundred turns, which is just slightly longer than the time it takes for a corpse to rot. Thus, the average adventurer who's just eaten should wait until they've explored a bit to chop up a new corpse. Low-hunger characters like [[halfling]]s or those who've found a [[ring of sustenance]] can often afford to wait until they're hungry to butcher a corpse, high-hunger characters like [[centaur]]s or ogres will want to find something new to eat soon after they're done eating a chunk, and trolls should probably be eating just about everything they come across.
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 Several things will affect how often you'll need more chunks (and therefore how often you should butcher corpses), such as heavy use of spells, invocations, or other hunger-inducing abilities; a spellcaster that has just finished a long, difficult battle may need to butcher two or three corpses (or maybe just one big one, like a [[yak]] or [[centaur (monster)|centaur]]) to get themselves back to satiated.
-Again, [[ghoul]]s are somewhat of a special case here; they actually heal by eating rotten meat, and they have enough natural strength to be able to carry lots of extra chunks in addition to whatever other items they're lugging around. Thus, ghouls should actively chop up most things they kill so they always have a supply of rotten meat to feed and heal themselves with.
+Again, [[ghoul]]s are somewhat of a special case here; they actually heal by eating meat. Thus, ghouls should actively chop up most things they kill so they always have a supply of meat to feed and heal themselves with.
 ==Monster Interference==

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	Prior to [[0.14]], [[harpies]] and [[giant spore]]s had attacks that could destroy the food in your [[inventory]].		Prior to [[0.14]], [[harpies]] and [[giant spore]]s had attacks that could destroy the food in your [[inventory]].

−	Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly.	+	Prior to [[0.15]], contaminated [[chunk]]s existed. These were less edible for most species, though [[hill orc]]s, [[ogre]]s, [[kobold]]s, [[troll]]s, and [[ghoul]]s could eat them with fewer or no ill effects. Also, [[centaur]]s and ogres hungered particularly quickly. Finally, [[rings of hunger]] and [[ring of sustenance\|sustenance]] existed, increasing or decreasing your characters hunger rate.

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 ==Monster Interference==
-Some monsters like [[jellies]] and [[necrophage]]s will eat any corpses that they come across, as well as [[hungry ghost]]s, which also come with an attack that actively drains your satiation.  In addition to these enemies, other enemies exist that will make corpses unusable for food through the [[Animate Dead]] spell. Monsters with Animate Dead include any sort of necromancer, [[shadow imp]]s, [[orc high priest]]s, etc.
+Some monsters like [[jellies]] and [[necrophage]]s will eat any corpses that they come across, as well as [[hungry ghost]]s, which also come with an attack that actively drains your satiation.  In addition to these enemies, other enemies exist that will make corpses unusable for food through the [[Animate Dead]] or [[Simulacrum]] spell. Monsters with Animate Dead include any sort of necromancer, [[shadow imp]]s, [[orc high priest]]s, etc.
 ==History==
-[[0.12]] removed the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell and the restrictions on blunt butchering.
+Between versions [[0.10]] and [[0.13]], the [[Nausea]] [[status effect]] made eating [[chunks]] from contaminated sources a potentially dangerous proposition.
-[[0.13]] removed [[Nausea]].
+Prior to [[0.12]], characters needed to be wielding a sharp weapon (or have [[claws]] or [[talons]]) in order to butcher corpses. This made cursed blunt weapons surprisingly dangerous. Also, spriggans could use the [[Fulsome Distillation]] spell to turn most corpses into a source of nutrition.