Iron giant - Revision history

Ge0ff: Un-crystal ball

2019-01-22T18:57:02Z

Un-crystal ball

Alchon: updated to v0.22

2018-08-17T17:38:24Z

updated to v0.22

Pinkbeast: Giant is not a "he" (even elsewhere in this section)

2018-07-09T20:45:03Z

Giant is not a "he" (even elsewhere in this section)

Ge0ff: Fix Throw Ally's max damage, add a history note

2018-06-26T18:51:04Z

Fix Throw Ally's max damage, add a history note

Spudwalt at 18:08, 13 June 2018

2018-06-13T18:08:48Z

Spudwalt: Iron giants are actually normal speed as of 0.19

2018-06-13T17:58:01Z

Iron giants are actually normal speed as of 0.19

Spudwalt at 20:07, 11 June 2018

2018-06-11T20:07:14Z

Kernmantle: per mon-cast.cc:_throw_ally_to(), throwing damage is 1d(HDx2), so 1d44; plus, some more modifications

2018-06-10T21:10:24Z

per mon-cast.cc:_throw_ally_to(), throwing damage is 1d(HDx2), so 1d44; plus, some more modifications

Spudwalt at 20:15, 10 June 2018

2018-06-10T20:15:24Z

Kernmantle: /* Tips & Tricks */ Thrown allies apparently act as penetrating bolts

2018-06-10T18:27:07Z

‎Tips & Tricks: Thrown allies apparently act as penetrating bolts

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 *In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell). Always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you. Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if it's at the very edge of your [[LOS]], the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that it can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you; thus, if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster it tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
 *Spawn summons to hold the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters instead of stopping at the first hit the way an arrow might. So, while your summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its thrown allies.
-*As with all other average-speed threats, if all else fails, just walk towards the nearest staircase and leave. However, since they have the potential to throw fast-moving allies or allies with ranged attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.
+*As with all other average-speed threats, if all else fails, just walk towards the nearest staircase and leave. However, since they have the potential to throw fast-moving allies or allies with ranged attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what it cannot see.
 *This would be a good time to have [[reflection]]. The giant's thrown allies are not reflectable, but Iron Shot is.
 ==History==
-*In [[0.22]], iron giants will also have [[Harpoon Shot]], giving them the ability to pull you adjacent to themselves.
+*Prior to [[0.22]], they didn't have [[Harpoon Shot]].
 *Prior to [[0.19]], iron giants were somewhat stronger but slower than average. Also they had Throw, an ability to throw the player next to dangerous monsters, instead of [[Throw Ally]].
 *Iron giants were added in [[0.18]], inspired by [[Dungeon Sprint]]'s [[the Iron Giant]].

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 ==Tips & Tricks==
 *Unless you are a brawler, you are going to want to take advantage of Iron Shot's relatively short range (4 squares) and kite them with long-ranged attacks (increased movement speed from [[Swiftness]] or [[potion of haste|haste]] can help with this). Even then, they can still use Throw Ally if they're in sight and another creature happens to be next to them.
-*In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell). Always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you. Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if he's at the very edge of your [[LOS]], the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that he can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you; thus, if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster he tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
+*In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell). Always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you. Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if it's at the very edge of your [[LOS]], the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that it can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you; thus, if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster it tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
 *Spawn summons to hold the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters instead of stopping at the first hit the way an arrow might. So, while your summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its thrown allies.
 *As with all other average-speed threats, if all else fails, just walk towards the nearest staircase and leave. However, since they have the potential to throw fast-moving allies or allies with ranged attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.

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 '''Iron giants''' are huge, strong, durable humanoids that can deal massive damage with melee attacks, irresistible attack spells, and thrown allies. They are found most often in [[the Iron City of Dis]] and [[Ziggurat]]s, but can occasionally generate in [[the Depths]] or [[The Realm of Zot|Zot]].
-The singular lethality of iron giants is their [[Throw Ally]] ability, which both deals unavoidable damage (1d36) and places dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
+The singular lethality of iron giants is their [[Throw Ally]] ability, which both deals unavoidable damage (1d35) and places dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
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 ==History==
 *In [[0.22]], iron giants will also have [[Harpoon Shot]], giving them the ability to pull you adjacent to themselves.
-*Prior to [[0.19]], iron giants were somewhat stronger but slower than average.
+*Prior to [[0.19]], iron giants were somewhat stronger but slower than average. Also they had Throw, an ability to throw the player next to dangerous monsters, instead of [[Throw Ally]].
 *Iron giants were added in [[0.18]], inspired by [[Dungeon Sprint]]'s [[the Iron Giant]].
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 '''Iron giants''' are huge, strong, durable humanoids that can deal massive damage with melee attacks, irresistible attack spells, and thrown allies. They are found most often in [[the Iron City of Dis]] and [[Ziggurat]]s, but can occasionally generate in [[the Depths]] or [[The Realm of Zot|Zot]].
-The singular lethality of iron giants is their [[Throw Ally]] ability, which both deals unavoidable damage (1d44) and places dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
+The singular lethality of iron giants is their [[Throw Ally]] ability, which both deals unavoidable damage (1d36) and places dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
 {{monster spells}}
 ==Tips & Tricks==
-*Unless you are a brawler, you are going to want to take advantage of Iron Shot's relatively short range (4 squares) and kite them with long-ranged attacks. Even then, they can still use Throw Ally if they're in sight and another creature happens to be next to them.
+*Unless you are a brawler, you are going to want to take advantage of Iron Shot's relatively short range (4 squares) and kite them with long-ranged attacks (increased movement speed from [[Swiftness]] or [[potion of haste|haste]] can help with this). Even then, they can still use Throw Ally if they're in sight and another creature happens to be next to them.
 *In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell). Always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you. Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if he's at the very edge of your [[LOS]], the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that he can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you; thus, if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster he tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
 *Spawn summons to hold the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters instead of stopping at the first hit the way an arrow might. So, while your summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its thrown allies.
-*As with all other average-speed threats, if all else fails, just walk towards the nearest staircase and leave (increased movement speed from [[Swiftness]] or [[potion of haste|haste]] can help in a pinch). However, since they have the potential to throw fast-moving allies or allies with ranged attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.
+*As with all other average-speed threats, if all else fails, just walk towards the nearest staircase and leave. However, since they have the potential to throw fast-moving allies or allies with ranged attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.
 *This would be a good time to have [[reflection]]. The giant's thrown allies are not reflectable, but Iron Shot is.
 ==History==
 *In [[0.22]], iron giants will also have [[Harpoon Shot]], giving them the ability to pull you adjacent to themselves.
-*Prior to [[0.19]], iron giants were slower than average.
+*Prior to [[0.19]], iron giants were somewhat stronger but slower than average.
 *Iron giants were added in [[0.18]], inspired by [[Dungeon Sprint]]'s [[the Iron Giant]].
 [[Category:Crystal Ball Articles]]

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 ==Useful Info==
-'''Iron giants''' are strong, slow, durable humanoids that can deal massive damage with melee attacks, irresistible attack spells, and thrown allies. They are found most often in [[the Iron City of Dis]] and [[Ziggurat]]s, but can occasionally generate in [[the Depths]] or [[The_Realm_of_Zot|Zot]] as well.
+'''Iron giants''' are strong, slow, durable humanoids that can deal massive damage with melee attacks, irresistible attack spells, and thrown allies. They are found most often in [[the Iron City of Dis]] and [[Ziggurat]]s, but can occasionally generate in [[the Depths]] or [[The Realm of Zot|Zot]].
-The singular lethality of iron giants is its [[Throw Ally]] ability, which alone can do unavoidable damage (1d44) and cumulatively place dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
+The singular lethality of iron giants is their [[Throw Ally]] ability, which both deals unavoidable damage (1d44) and places dangerous enemies (that might even have been outside your [[LOS]]) immediately adjacent to you.
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 ==Tips & Tricks==
-*Unless you are a brawler, you are going to want to take advantage of their slow speed and kite them with long ranged attacks.
+*Unless you are a brawler, you are going to want to take advantage of their slow speed and kite them with long-ranged attacks. Iron Shot has a range of 4 spaces, so ideally you'll want to stay beyond that, but even then they can still use Throw Ally if another creature is next to them.
-*In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell): ie, always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you.  Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if he's at the very edge of your LOS, the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that he can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you, thus if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster he tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
+*In certain respects, treat iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell). Always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you. Keep in mind that, even if the iron giant is seemingly alone, if he's at the very edge of your [[LOS]], the tiles out of your LOS and next to the giant may harbor a monster that he can use as ammunition against you. (The iron giant always selects the ally farthest away from you; thus, if the giant is in a mob at the edge of your LOS, the monster he tosses is ''guaranteed'' to be one you have not seen yet.)
-*Spawn summons to hold the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters, instead of stopping at the first hit, the way an arrow might. So, while your spawned summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its projectiles (thrown allies).
+*Spawn summons to hold the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters instead of stopping at the first hit the way an arrow might. So, while your summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its thrown allies.
-*As with nearly all slow enemies, if all else fails, just walk away. However, since they have the potential to throw faster-moving allies or allies with range attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape.  A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.
+*As with nearly all slow enemies, if all else fails, just walk away. However, since they have the potential to throw faster-moving allies or allies with range attacks (say, a [[Hell sentinel]] or ''another'' iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape. A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the iron giant cannot target what he cannot see.
-*This would be a good time to have [[reflection]] (albeit, the giant's thrown allies are not reflectable).
+*This would be a good time to have [[reflection]]. The giant's thrown allies are not reflectable, but Iron Shot is.
 ==History==

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 ==Tips & Tricks==
 *In certain respects, treat Iron giants like [[Guardian serpent]]s (who know the [[Blink Allies Encircling]] spell): ie, always be aware of the monster(s) adjacent to the Iron giant, since at any point that monster may become adjacent to you.  Keep in mind that even if the Iron giant is seemingly alone and at the very edge of your [[LOS]], those tiles out of your LOS next to the giant may harbor a monster he can use as ammunition against you.
-*Spawn summons to keep the giant's attention and be the focus of his thrown allies, while you attack it or are making an escape. Even if the giant is still aiming at you, your interposing friendly summons may take the hit instead.
+*Spawn summons to keep the giant's attention while you attack it or are making an escape. Just remember that the giant's thrown ally behaves like a [[penetration|penetrating]] [[Bolt spells|bolt]], moving ''through'' any interposing monsters, instead of stopping at the first hit, the way an arrow might. So, while your spawned summons will impede the giant's movement and possibly be a target of its Iron Shot, they will provide no cover from its projectiles (thrown allies).
 *As with nearly all slow enemies, if all else fails, just walk away. However, since they have the potential to throw faster-moving allies or allies with range attacks (say, a [[Hell Sentinel]] or ''another'' Iron giant), a [[scroll of blinking]] or [[scroll of teleportation|teleport]] might be the safest escape.  A [[scroll of fog]] can buy you some time; the Iron giant cannot throw at what he cannot see.
 *This would be a good time to have [[reflection]].