Kiting - Revision history

Hordes: /* Finite kiting */

2025-11-13T06:50:12Z

‎Finite kiting

Hordes at 06:34, 13 November 2025

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Hordes at 06:30, 13 November 2025

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Ge0ff at 20:55, 27 October 2023

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Hordes at 04:21, 26 October 2023

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Hordes: /* Notes */

2023-08-28T11:39:21Z

‎Notes

Hordes: /* Notes */

2023-08-28T11:38:37Z

‎Notes

Hordes at 11:37, 28 August 2023

2023-08-28T11:37:43Z

Hordes: i've been using "kite" to refer to "dragging an enemy through poison clouds, even if you have 0 speed". redefine the page

2023-08-28T11:25:55Z

i've been using "kite" to refer to "dragging an enemy through poison clouds, even if you have 0 speed". redefine the page

Ge0ff: add version tag

2022-06-08T14:19:10Z

add version tag

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 ==Types==
 ===Finite kiting===
-When you cannot create extra distance from an enemy (you move at the same or slower speed), you cannot kite indefinitely. However, the tactic can still be used to gain advantage:
+When you cannot create extra distance from an enemy (you move at the same or slower speed), or there isn't enough space, you cannot kite indefinitely. However, the tactic can still be used to gain advantage:
 *'''Damage over time spells''', such as [[poison]] and [[Freezing Cloud]] benefit from the extra time. Place a freezing cloud, run back for a few turns, and the enemy will be damaged while not gaining any distance.
 *'''[[Summon]]s and other [[allies]]''' benefit the same way. For example, you can place down a [[lightning spire]], walk back, and the spire will fire up to 7 times while the enemy remains at the same distance.
 *'''Spells/abilities with a time-based cooldown''' can recharge while moving. E.g., [[Orb of Destruction]] isn't safe to fire twice in a row in the same spot, so kiting helps there.
-*'''You can regenerate HP/MP between ranged attacks''', although the monster will also regen HP. If the monster is at full HP then you can use it to recover.
+*'''You can regenerate HP/MP between ranged attacks''', although the monster will also regen HP. If the monster is at full HP then you can use it to recover. For example, if you miscast [[Magic Dart]], you can kite until you get the 1 MP back.
 ===Indefinite kiting===

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 {{version033}}
 '''Kiting''' refers to running away from an enemy while gaining some sort of advantage. For example, if you're faster than an enemy, you'll gain distance by running away, and that distance can be used to make ranged attacks. It is a basic technique used to kill monsters and lure them away.
 ==Types==
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 *'''Movement restricting effects:''' Effects like [[Borgnjor's Vile Clutch]] can stop the enemy from moving.
-===Notes===
+Taking advantage of indefinite kiting is simple - any ranged attack that outdamages the monster's regeneration will work.
-*Before kiting, make sure you actually have room to back up.
-**Kiting is related to [[pillar dancing]]; a large "pillar" lets you kite enemies in a circle. If the pillar has an irregular shape, the enemy may forget about you, allowing you to reengage with more ranged attacks.
+==Strategy==
 *If you aren't faster than the monster, you should always keep at least 2 tiles of distance, so an enemy is unlikely to catch up through [[random energy]].
 *While kiting is mainly used against melee or low range enemies, you can also kite ranged enemies that are slower than you. Enemies cannot attack you from outside your [[LOS]]. So long as you keep the enemy at the edge of LOS, and have space to retreat, you'll have the option to back off. This forces the enemy outside LOS, thus forcing it to move (and not attack).
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+{{version033}}
-'''Kiting''' is a basic tactic used to kill monsters while avoiding engaging in [[melee]].
+'''Kiting''' refers to running away from an enemy while gaining some sort of advantage. For example, if you're faster than an enemy, you'll gain distance by running away, and that distance can be used to make ranged attacks. It is a basic technique used to kill monsters and lure them away.
-==Useful Info==
+==Types==
-Kiting involves running away from a monster, before it can attack you, in order to gain some advantage:
+===Finite kiting===
-*'''Speed/Distance:''' If you are [[movement speed|faster]] than a monster, then you'll gain distance as you run away. Combine that with a form of [[ranged]] or [[reaching]] attack, and you can damage (eventually kill) melee monsters with 100% safety. Back away from the monster whenever it gets close to you; when you are far enough away, hit it with a ranged or reaching attack. Repeat until the monster is dead.
+===Indefinite kiting===
-:If you have some other means of creating distance, you can use that to kite. You can hop between different sets of [[stairs]] to create distance, thus allowing you to kite same-speed foes. Or you can use effects like [[Passage of Golubria]] and [[Borgnjor's Vile Clutch]] in a similar way.
+If you can create a distance, you have enough space, and there's no other enemies interfering, you can theoretically kite as long as you want. This can be achieved by:
-*'''Damage over time''': Kiting can be used with damage over time effects, such as [[poison]], [[Sticky Flame]], or [[Freezing Cloud]]. For example, you can inflict poison, retreat a few tiles, and repeat. Without a means of creating distance, you can't kite ''indefinitely'', but you can still inflict significant damage.
+*'''Faster than the enemy:''' If you're outright faster, then you can run away, then once you get an extra space, fire, and repeat.
-*'''Regeneration:''' If you miscast [[Magic Dart]], you've used up 1 MP. So long as you aren't in melee range yet, you can back off, recover that 1 MP, and try to fight again.
+*'''[[Summon]]s and other allies:''' Summons can create distance if they get in the way of the enemy.
 ===Notes===
 *Before kiting, make sure you actually have room to back up.
 **Kiting is related to [[pillar dancing]]; a large "pillar" lets you kite enemies in a circle. If the pillar has an irregular shape, the enemy may forget about you, allowing you to reengage with more ranged attacks.
-*If you aren't faster than the monster, you should always keep at least 1 tile of distance away, to avoid [[attacks of opportunity]].
+*If you aren't faster than the monster, you should always keep at least 2 tiles of distance, so an enemy is unlikely to catch up through [[random energy]].
 *It's best to kite around a reasonably known area. If you kite with unexplored area nearby, new monsters can show up, which can make kiting impossible. E.g. you won't be kiting a [[hydra]] when a [[torpor snail]] is slowing you down.
-*You can also kite ranged enemies that are slower than you. Enemies cannot attack you from outside your [[LOS]]. So long as you keep the enemy at the edge of LOS, and have space to retreat, you'll have the option to back off. This forces the enemy outside LOS, thus forcing it to move (and not attack).
+*While kiting is mainly used against melee or low range enemies, you can also kite ranged enemies that are slower than you. Enemies cannot attack you from outside your [[LOS]]. So long as you keep the enemy at the edge of LOS, and have space to retreat, you'll have the option to back off. This forces the enemy outside LOS, thus forcing it to move (and not attack).
 [[Category:Strategy]]

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 *'''Speed/Distance:''' If you are [[movement speed|faster]] than a monster, then you'll gain distance as you run away. Combine that with a form of [[ranged]] or [[reaching]] attack, and you can damage (eventually kill) melee monsters with 100% safety. Back away from the monster whenever it gets close to you; when you are far enough away, hit it with a ranged or reaching attack. Repeat until the monster is dead.
 :If you have some other means of creating distance, you can use that to kite. You can hop between different sets of [[stairs]] to create distance, thus allowing you to kite same-speed foes. Or you can use effects like [[Passage of Golubria]] and [[Borgnjor's Vile Clutch]] in a similar way.
-*'''Damage over time''': Kiting can be used with damage over time effects, such as [[poison]], [[Sticky Flame]], or [[Freezing Cloud]]. For example, you can inflict poison, retreat a few tiles, and repeat. Without a means of creating difference, you can't kite ''indefinitely'', but you can still inflict significant damage.
+*'''Damage over time''': Kiting can be used with damage over time effects, such as [[poison]], [[Sticky Flame]], or [[Freezing Cloud]]. For example, you can inflict poison, retreat a few tiles, and repeat. Without a means of creating distance, you can't kite ''indefinitely'', but you can still inflict significant damage.
 *'''Regeneration:''' If you miscast [[Magic Dart]], you've used up 1 MP. So long as you aren't in melee range yet, you can back off, recover that 1 MP, and try to fight again.

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 {{version030}}
-'''Kiting''' is a basic tactic used to kill monsters while avoiding engaging in [[melee]]. Kiting involves running away from a monster, before it can attack you, in order to gain some advantage:
+'''Kiting''' is a basic tactic used to kill monsters while avoiding engaging in [[melee]].
 *'''Speed/Distance:''' If you are [[movement speed|faster]] than a monster, then you'll gain distance as you run away. Combine that with a form of [[ranged]] or [[reaching]] attack, and you can damage (eventually kill) melee monsters with 100% safety. Back away from the monster whenever it gets close to you; when you are far enough away, hit it with a ranged or reaching attack. Repeat until the monster is dead.
-:If you have some other means of creating distance, you can use that to kite. Hopping between different sets of [[stairs]], or effects like [[Passage of Golubria]] and [[Borgnjor's Vile Clutch]], can create distance, thus allowing you to kite same-speed foes.
+:If you have some other means of creating distance, you can use that to kite. You can hop between different sets of [[stairs]] to create distance, thus allowing you to kite same-speed foes. Or you can use effects like [[Passage of Golubria]] and [[Borgnjor's Vile Clutch]] in a similar way.
-*'''Damage over time''': Kiting can be used with damage over time effects, such as [[poison]], [[Sticky Flame]], or [[Freezing Cloud]]. You can inflict poison, retreat a few tiles, and repeat. If you can't create distance, you can't kite ''indefinitely'', but you can still inflict significant damage.
+*'''Damage over time''': Kiting can be used with damage over time effects, such as [[poison]], [[Sticky Flame]], or [[Freezing Cloud]]. For example, you can inflict poison, retreat a few tiles, and repeat. Without a means of creating difference, you can't kite ''indefinitely'', but you can still inflict significant damage.
 *'''Regeneration:''' If you miscast [[Magic Dart]], you've used up 1 MP. So long as you aren't in melee range yet, you can back off, recover that 1 MP, and try to fight again.

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 '''Kiting''' is a basic tactic used to kill monsters while avoiding engaging in [[melee]].
-To kite a monster, you must be [[speed|faster]] than it and have some form of [[ranged attack]].  Back away from the monster whenever it gets close to you; when you are far enough away, hit it with a ranged attack.  Repeat until the monster is dead.
+To kite a monster, you must be [[speed|faster]] than it and have some form of [[ranged]] or [[reaching]] attack. Back away from the monster whenever it gets close to you; when you are far enough away, hit it with a ranged or reaching attack. Repeat until the monster is dead.
-You should keep at least two squares of empty space between you and the monster in case the monster has time to advance and strike you in a single turn.  You can even kite monsters that have ranged attacks, provided the range of your attack is longer (see [[table of attack spells and beams by maximum range#All spells and abilities]]).
+You should keep at least two squares of empty space between you and the monster in case the monster has time to advance and strike you in a single turn. You can even kite monsters that have ranged attacks, provided the range of your attack is longer.
-You should avoid kiting in the direction of an unexplored area, if at all possible.  Kiting combines well with [[pillar dancing]], especially when using a pillar (or wall) a few tiles across.  Kiting can also be used to maneuver a monster into an advantageous position for a [[multizap]].
+You should avoid kiting in the direction of an unexplored area, if at all possible. Kiting combines well with [[pillar dancing]], especially when using a pillar (or wall) a few tiles across. Kiting can also be used to maneuver a monster into an advantageous position for a [[multizap]].
-Kiting has some use against monsters that are the same speed as you, if you can survive a few blows but not an extended fight.  If you [[poison]] the monster, have [[Sticky Flame]], or [[regeneration|regenerate]] faster than it, you can turn the battle into a war of attrition.  Hit or poison it, then back up/pillar dance until it shakes off the poison or you have recovered enough HP, then hit it again.  (Like regular kiting, this is ideally done with ranged weapons.)  When dancing around a pillar with an irregular shape, the monster may even lose track of you, allowing you to reengage it with more ranged attacks.
+Kiting has some use against monsters that are the same speed as you, if you can survive a few blows but not an extended fight. If you [[poison]] the monster, have [[Sticky Flame]], or [[regeneration|regenerate]] faster than it, you can turn the battle into a war of attrition. Hit or poison it, then back up/pillar dance until it shakes off the poison or you have recovered enough HP, then hit it again. (Like regular kiting, this is ideally done with ranged weapons.) When dancing around a pillar with an irregular shape, the monster may even lose track of you, allowing you to reengage it with more ranged attacks.
 [[Category:Strategy]]