Melee weapon - Revision history

Pinkbeast: Slashing is whips etc

2026-02-26T17:03:40Z

Slashing is whips etc

Ge0ff at 17:57, 20 November 2023

2023-11-20T17:57:23Z

Hordes at 22:46, 19 November 2023

2023-11-19T22:46:26Z

Hordes at 22:43, 19 November 2023

2023-11-19T22:43:47Z

Hordes: capitalize skills ; hyphenate cross-training ; adjust strategy wording

2023-11-19T22:39:48Z

capitalize skills ; hyphenate cross-training ; adjust strategy wording

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Patrick2011b: update to 0.30; leaving the refs alone for now as I got the new values from elsewhere in the wiki

2023-11-19T21:32:22Z

update to 0.30; leaving the refs alone for now as I got the new values from elsewhere in the wiki

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Hordes at 15:42, 25 June 2023

2023-06-25T15:42:00Z

Ge0ff: /* History */ Those weapons were one-handed only for monsters, and even for them it was mostly irrelevant (see commit e972ad55)

2019-06-19T13:59:14Z

‎History: Those weapons were one-handed only for monsters, and even for them it was mostly irrelevant (see commit e972ad55)

Sirtheta: update dam / hit / speed / sizes / dam type to 0.23, add source code links, changes to great sword, scimitar, morningstar, dire flail, GSC

2019-05-10T16:00:25Z

update dam / hit / speed / sizes / dam type to 0.23, add source code links, changes to great sword, scimitar, morningstar, dire flail, GSC

Sirtheta: cutlass was replaced by rapier

2019-05-01T14:10:39Z

cutlass was replaced by rapier

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 !style="text-align: left; white-space: nowrap;" | Dam Type
-| Slashing, slicing, and chopping weapons will cut [[hydra]] heads. Otherwise has no effect.
+| Slicing and chopping weapons will cut [[hydra]] heads. Otherwise has no effect.
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 ==Staves==
-[[Staves]]<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|item-prop.cc|690}}</ref> are used to fight in physical combat. [[Quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s offer high damage for their base delay (thus, don't require much skill), but are rarer and two-handed. [[Magical staves]] primarily boost the power of [[spell]]s, but can used in melee too.
+[[Staves]]<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|item-prop.cc|690}}</ref> are used to fight in physical combat. [[Quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s offer high damage for their base delay (thus, don't require much skill), but are rarer and two-handed. [[Magical staves]] primarily boost the power of [[spell]]s, but can be used in melee too.
 Note that magical staves fight like +0 staves, though with added damage based on your magical skill and [[Evocations]].

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-| What category of damage does the weapon deal?
+| Slashing, slicing, and chopping weapons will cut [[hydra]] heads. Otherwise has no effect.
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 {{version030}}
-'''Melee weapons''' refer to [[weapon]]s which can only attack adjacent to you (with a few exceptions). While [[Ranged Weapons]] have an obvious range advantage, melee weapons are stronger overall. Melee weapons are divided into several categories, each of which has its own associated [[skill]] and its own particular advantages.
+'''Melee weapons''' refer to [[weapon]]s which can only attack adjacent to you (with a few exceptions). While [[Ranged Weapons]] have an obvious range advantage, melee weapons have better stats. Melee weapons are divided into several categories, each of which has its own associated [[skill]] and its own particular advantages.
 ==Weapon attributes==

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 ==Staves==
-The [[Staves]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|580}}</ref> skill is used both to fight with physical combat staves ([[quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s) and [[magical staves]]. Physical combat staves are powerful two-handed weapons that require surprisingly little skill to use effectively, but unlike other weapon classes, there is no ultra-powerful, high-skill option available.
+The [[Staves]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|580}}</ref> skill is used both to fight with physical combat staves ([[quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s) and [[magical staves]]. Physical combat staves are powerful two-handed weapons that require less skill to use effectively, but unlike other weapon classes, there is no ultra-powerful, high-skill option available.
 Note that [[magical staves]] fight like +0 staves, though some offer extra damage or other effects.

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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.19]] or perhaps [[0.15]], dire flails and great maces were one-handed weapons for trolls and ogres.
+Prior to [[0.18]], each weapon had a strength weight percentage that determined how the weapon would benefit from your strength and dexterity.
 ==References==
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+{{version023}}
 '''Melee weapons''' refer to any [[weapon]]s which are only capable of attacking opponents adjacent to you (with the exception of [[polearms]]; see below). While they lack the obvious range advantage of [[ranged weapon]]s, they do not require ammunition, and they tend to be more powerful overall. Melee weapons are divided into several categories, each of which has its own associated [[skill]] and its own particular advantages.
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 ==Short Blades==
-Attacks with [[short blades]] tend to deal less damage than larger weapons do, but are significantly faster. They also deal very high damage when used to make [[stab]] attacks.
+Attacks with [[short blades]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|447}}</ref> tend to deal less damage than larger weapons do, but are significantly faster. They also deal very high damage when used to make [[stab]] attacks.
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 ==Long Blades==
-[[Long blades]] can [[riposte]] on successfully evading a blow. They deal moderate damage when used to make [[stab]] attacks and cross train with [[short blades]]. Their skill cost is lower than that of polearms and axes, but higher than maces and staves.
+[[Long blades]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|481}}</ref> can [[riposte]] on successfully evading a blow. They deal moderate damage when used to make [[stab]] attacks and cross train with [[short blades]]. Their skill cost is lower than that of polearms and axes, but higher than maces and staves.
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 | [[Falchion]] || 7 || +2 || 13 || Little || Little || Slicing || 10 ||
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-| [[Long sword]] || 9 || +1 || 14 || Small || Little || Slicing || 10 ||
+| [[Long sword]] || 9 || +1 || 14 || Little || Little || Slicing || 10 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Scimitar]] || 12 || -2 || 14 || Small || Little || Slicing || 10 ||
+| [[Scimitar]] || 11 || 0 || 14 || Little || Little || Slicing || 10 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Demon blade]] || 12 || -1 || 13 || Small || Little || Slicing || 2 ||
+| [[Demon blade]] || 12 || -1 || 13 || Little || Little || Slicing || 2 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Eudemon blade]] || 13 || -2 || 12 || Small || Little || Slicing || - || A demon blade blessed by [[The Shining One]]
+| [[Eudemon blade]] || 13 || -2 || 12 || Little || Little || Slicing || - || A demon blade blessed by [[The Shining One]]
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
 | [[Double sword]] || 14 || -1 || 15 || Medium || Little || Slicing || 2 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Great sword]] || 15 || -3 || 16 || - || Medium || Slicing || 10 ||
+| [[Great sword]] || 15 || -3 || 17 || - || Medium || Slicing || 10 ||
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 | [[Triple sword]] || 17 || -4 || 19 || - || Medium || Slicing || 2 ||
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 ==Axes==
-[[Axes]] are unique among weapons in that they can perform [[cleaving]] attacks, striking multiple foes in a single strike.
+[[Axes]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|527}}</ref> are unique among weapons in that they can perform [[cleaving]] attacks, striking multiple foes in a single strike.
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 | [[Hand axe]] || 7 || +3 || 13 || Little || Little || Chopping || 10 ||
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-| [[War axe]] || 11 || 0 || 15 || Small || Little || Chopping || 10 ||
+| [[War axe]] || 11 || 0 || 15 || Little || Little || Chopping || 10 ||
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 | [[Broad axe]] || 13 || -2 || 16 || Medium || Little || Chopping || 10 ||
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 | [[Executioner's axe]] || 18 || -6 || 20 || - || Medium || Chopping || 2 ||
 |}
 ==Maces & Flails==
-[[Maces & flails]] have no particular unique traits, but have significantly lower skill costs. Married to the fact that the most powerful weapons are pretty common in the dungeon, they're a popular choice both for one handed and two handed combat.  [[Ogre]]s and [[troll]]s have access to [[giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s, the two most powerful weapon types in the game. However, these are generally not recommended for either race.
+[[Maces & flails]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|361}}</ref> have no particular unique traits, but have significantly lower skill costs. Married to the fact that the most powerful weapons are pretty common in the dungeon, they're a popular choice both for one handed and two handed combat.  [[Ogre]]s and [[troll]]s have access to [[giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s, the two most powerful weapon types in the game. However, these are generally not recommended for either race.
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 | [[Flail]] || 10 || 0 || 14 || Little || Little || Crushing || 10 ||
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-| [[Morningstar]] || 13 || -2 || 15 || Small || Little || Piercing (Bludgeoning) || 10 ||
+| [[Morningstar]] || 13 || -2 || 15 || Little || Little || Crushing (Piercing) || 10 ||
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 | [[Demon whip]] || 11 || +1 || 11 || Little || Little || Slashing || 2 ||
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 | [[Sacred scourge]] || 12 || 0 || 11 || Little || Little || Slashing || - || A blessed demon whip
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-| [[Dire flail]] || 13 || -3 || 13 || Big || Medium || Piercing (Bludgeoning) || 10 ||
+| [[Dire flail]] || 13 || -3 || 13 || - || Medium || Crushing (Piercing) || 10 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Eveningstar]] || 15 || -1 || 15 || Small || Little || Piercing (Bludgeoning) || 2 ||
+| [[Eveningstar]] || 15 || -1 || 15 || Little || Little || Crushing (Piercing) || 2 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Great mace]] || 17 || -4 || 17 || Big || Medium || Crushing || 10 ||
+| [[Great mace]] || 17 || -4 || 17 || - || Medium || Crushing || 10 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
 | [[Giant club]] || 20 || -6 || 16 || - || Large || Crushing || 10 ||
 |-style="vertical-align: top;"
-| [[Giant spiked club]] || 22 || -7 || 19 || - || Large || Piercing (Bludgeoning) || 10 ||
+| [[Giant spiked club]] || 22 || -7 || 18 || - || Large || Crushing (Piercing) || 10 ||
 |}
 ==Polearms==
-[[Polearms]] are unique among melee weapons in that they can make [[reaching]] attacks, striking foes up to two tiles away.
+[[Polearms]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|544}}</ref> are unique among melee weapons in that they can make [[reaching]] attacks, striking foes up to two tiles away.
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 ==Staves==
-The [[Staves]] skill is used both to fight with physical combat staves ([[quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s) and [[magical staves]]. Physical combat staves are powerful two-handed weapons that require surprisingly little skill to use effectively, but unlike other weapon classes, there is no ultra-powerful, high-skill option available.
+The [[Staves]]<ref>{{source ref|0.23.0|item-prop.cc|580}}</ref> skill is used both to fight with physical combat staves ([[quarterstaves]] and [[lajatang]]s) and [[magical staves]]. Physical combat staves are powerful two-handed weapons that require surprisingly little skill to use effectively, but unlike other weapon classes, there is no ultra-powerful, high-skill option available.
 Note that [[magical staves]] fight like +0 staves, though some offer extra damage or other effects.
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 | [[Staff]] || 5 || +5 || 12 || Medium || Little || Crushing || - || Not available in game. Used only as a base type for magical staves.
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-| [[Quarterstaff]] || 10 || +3 || 13 || - || Medium || Crushing || 10 ||
+| [[Quarterstaff]] || 10 || +3 || 13 || - || Little || Crushing || 10 ||
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-| [[Lajatang]] || 16 || -3 || 14 || - || Medium || Slicing || 2 ||
+| [[Lajatang]] || 16 || -3 || 14 || - || Little || Slicing || 2 ||
 |}
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 ==History==
 *Prior to [[0.18]], each weapon had a strength weight percentage that determined how the weapon would benefit from your strength and dexterity.

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 !style="text-align: left;" | [[Weapon Speed|Speed]]
-| This is actually the attack delay, which is multiplied by 10 to get the "percentages" you see in-game.  (That is, attack delay 10 shows as 100%.)  Every 2 levels of weapon skill lowers the delay by 1 unit.  A weapon's minimum delay is half of its base delay (rounded down) or 7 (5 for [[cutlass]], 10 for [[hand crossbow]]s, [[arbalest]]s and [[triple crossbow]]s), whichever is lower.  Speed brand and haste reduce the delay by one third (round randomly up or down). These effects stack, ''after'' the base cap, but there's an absolute cap of 2 for attack delay.
+| This is actually the attack delay, which is multiplied by 10 to get the "percentages" you see in-game.  (That is, attack delay 10 shows as 100%.)  Every 2 levels of weapon skill lowers the delay by 1 unit.  A weapon's minimum delay is half of its base delay (rounded down) or 7 (5 for [[rapier|rapiers]]; 10 for [[hand crossbow|hand crossbows]], [[arbalest|arbalests]], and [[triple crossbow|triple crossbows]]), whichever is lower.  Speed brand and haste reduce the delay by one third (round randomly up or down). These effects stack, ''after'' the base cap, but there's an absolute cap of 2 for attack delay.
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 !style="text-align: left;" | [[Handedness|One-handed min. size]]