Ogre - Revision history

Qqqqwe2 at 18:22, 16 June 2025

2025-06-16T18:22:19Z

Hordes: rip

2024-01-15T02:56:47Z

rip

Ge0ff: /* History */ Oni is considered a new species, not a rename. So they'll get a separate article

2023-12-29T13:40:48Z

‎History: Oni is considered a new species, not a rename. So they'll get a separate article

Patrick2011b: +CBA; also fix a link

2023-12-20T23:15:55Z

+CBA; also fix a link

Hordes at 01:07, 19 December 2023

2023-12-19T01:07:31Z

Hordes: explicitly mention "dodging skill" penalty

2023-12-19T01:04:16Z

explicitly mention "dodging skill" penalty

Hordes at 23:50, 29 July 2023

2023-07-29T23:50:01Z

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-07-28T05:51:30Z

‎Strategy

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-07-22T00:48:49Z

‎Strategy

Hordes: /* Preferred Backgrounds */

2023-07-22T00:47:51Z

‎Preferred Backgrounds

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-''This page is about the player [[species]]. For the monster, see [[Ogre (monster)]]. For a list of all monstrous ogres, see [[List of ogres]].''
+''This page is about the former player [[species]]. For the playable species that replaced Ogre, see [[Oni]]. For the monster, see [[Ogre (monster)]]. For a list of all monstrous ogres, see [[List of ogres]].''
 {{flavour|Ogres are huge, chunky creatures who are very strong and robust, but are not nimble at all. They possess a raw talent for magic, but are poor at making use of magical devices. Ogres mature almost as quickly as Humans.
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 *Prior to [[0.15]], Ogres had [[Saprovore]] 1 and [[Fast Metabolism]].
 *Prior to [[0.13]], Ogre Hunters and Artificers began with a [[short sword]] instead of a [[club]].
 ==References==

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+{{obsolete}}
 ''This page is about the player [[species]]. For the monster, see [[Ogre (monster)]]. For a list of all monstrous ogres, see [[List of ogres]].''
 {{flavour|Ogres are huge, chunky creatures who are very strong and robust, but are not nimble at all. They possess a raw talent for magic, but are poor at making use of magical devices. Ogres mature almost as quickly as Humans.
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 ==History==
-{{CBA|0.31|Ogres will be replaced with [[Oni]].}}
+*In [[0.31]], Ogres were replaced with [[Oni]], a similar large-sized species.
 *Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species, including ogres, could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Ogres had a -2 [[Shields]] aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28.

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 ==History==
-{{CBA|0.31|Ogres will be renamed to Oni, gain [[Horns]] 1, and get a free attack against all adjacent enemies whenever they drink a [[potion of curing]], [[potion of heal wounds|heal wounds]], [[potion of magic|magic]], or [[potion of ambrosia|ambrosia]]. Those potions will also give twice as much HP and MP to Oni.}}
+{{CBA|0.31|Ogres will be replaced with [[Oni]].}}
 *Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species, including ogres, could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Ogres had a -2 [[Shields]] aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28.

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 **Their bodies do not fit into [[boots]], [[gloves]], [[helmet]]s, or most [[body armour]] (they can only wear [[robe]]s, [[animal skin]]s, [[troll leather armour]], and [[dragon scales]]). In addition, [[buckler]]s are too small for them to use.
 **They can attack and move normally in [[shallow water]].
-*'''[[Good_mutations#Tough_Skin|Tough Skin 1]]''': Ogres have +1 [[AC]].
+*'''[[Tough_Skin|Tough Skin 1]]''': Ogres have +1 [[AC]].
 Ogres have a base [[Strength]] of 11, [[Intelligence]] of 9, and [[Dexterity]] of 4 (before Background modifiers) and normal base [[magic points]].
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 Ogres have many different options for skill training:
-*[[Large rock]]s are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common than [[javelin]]s and [[boomerang]]s, ''combined''.<ref>[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SfdqTkjUkQ9kB9hyJTqt7grYzSDibv-XpPbEEFinCQ/edit#gid=523653744 Objstats 0.29 (Spider + Shoals)]</ref>
+*[[Large rock]]s are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common and less likely to [[mulch]] than [[javelin]]s and [[boomerang]]s, ''combined''.<ref>[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SfdqTkjUkQ9kB9hyJTqt7grYzSDibv-XpPbEEFinCQ/edit#gid=523653744 Objstats 0.29 (Spider + Shoals)]</ref>
 *[[Giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s are the strongest melee weapons, but they aren't without drawbacks. Giant clubs are two-handed, which means no shield. This can be an issue, especially as Ogres are often stuck with low AC and low EV. They also take considerable skill training to use effectively.
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 ==History==
 *Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species, including ogres, could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Ogres had a -2 [[Shields]] aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28.

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 ==Innate Abilities==
 *Ogres are '''[[Size#Player Sizes|large]]''' species:
-**Like all large creatures, they receive an [[EV]] and [[Dodging]] skill penalty.
+**Like all large creatures, they receive an [[EV]] and [[Dodging]] penalty.
 **Unlike regular sized species, they can use [[giant club]]s,  [[giant spiked club]]s, and [[large rock]]s.
 **Their bodies do not fit into [[boots]], [[gloves]], [[helmet]]s, or most [[body armour]] (they can only wear [[robe]]s, [[animal skin]]s, [[troll leather armour]], and [[dragon scales]]). In addition, [[buckler]]s are too small for them to use.
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 {{Moderate}}
-Ogres have a number of advantages, offset by a similar amount of disadvantages. They have immense HP, and train Fighting faster than any other species. But for a good chunk of the game, Ogres have miserable [[AC]] (can't wear most armour) and [[EV]] (large size). On the flip side, they are one of the few species that can wield [[giant club]]s and throw [[large rock]]s.
+Ogres have a number of advantages, offset by a similar amount of disadvantages. They have immense HP, and train Fighting faster than any other species. But for a good chunk of the game, Ogres have miserable [[AC]] (can't wear most armour) and [[EV]] (large size, poor dex). On the flip side, they are one of the few species that can wield [[giant club]]s and throw [[large rock]]s.
 Ogres make for good spellcasters, being a large, +30% HP race which is adept at learning magic. They learn all schools equally well, with good Spellcasting skill, and a very minor (-1) aptitude penalty to the other magic schools.
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 Ogres have many different options for skill training:
-* [[Large rock]]s are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common than [[javelin]]s and [[boomerang]]s, ''combined''.<ref>[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SfdqTkjUkQ9kB9hyJTqt7grYzSDibv-XpPbEEFinCQ/edit#gid=523653744 Objstats 0.29 (Spider + Shoals)]</ref>
+*[[Large rock]]s are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common than [[javelin]]s and [[boomerang]]s, ''combined''.<ref>[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SfdqTkjUkQ9kB9hyJTqt7grYzSDibv-XpPbEEFinCQ/edit#gid=523653744 Objstats 0.29 (Spider + Shoals)]</ref>
-* [[Giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s are the strongest melee weapons, but not without their drawbacks. They are two-handed, which means no shield. They also take considerable skill training to use effectively.
+*[[Giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s are the strongest melee weapons, but they aren't without drawbacks. Giant clubs are two-handed, which means no shield. This can be an issue, especially as Ogres are often stuck with low AC and low EV. They also take considerable skill training to use effectively.
-* Ogres are one of the best choices for a high-durability caster. They have +30% HP, but limited body armour, as well as decent magical aptitudes. They work well as both "pure" casters and hybrids.
+*Ogres are one of the best choices for a high-durability caster. They have +30% HP, but limited body armour, as well as decent magical aptitudes. They work well as both "pure" casters and hybrids.
 Other than that, Ogres generally like [[shield]]s, as their high strength helps deal with the encumbrance.

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 * Ogres are one of the best choices for a high-durability caster. They have +30% HP, but limited body armour, as well as decent magical aptitudes. They work well as both "pure" casters and hybrids.
-Other than that, ogres generally like [[shield]]s, as their high strength helps deal with the encumbrance.
+Other than that, Ogres generally like [[shield]]s, as their high strength helps deal with the encumbrance.
 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species (including ogres) could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water.
+*Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species, including ogres, could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water.
-*Prior to [[0.29]], ogres had a -2 [[Shields (skill)|Shields]] aptitude (buffed to compensate for a shield nerf in [[0.28]]).
+*Prior to [[0.29]], Ogres had a -2 [[Shields]] aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28.
-*Prior to [[0.20]], ogres had +3 [[Maces & Flails]] aptitude, and were much worse with magic skills.  In 0.20 they were reworked to make their weapon choice less of a "no-brainer" and allow easier access to magic skills.
+*Prior to [[0.20]], Ogres had +3 [[Maces & Flails]] aptitude, and were much worse with magic skills.  In 0.20 they were reworked to make their weapon choice less of a "no-brainer" and allow easier access to magic skills.
-*Prior to [[0.16]], ogres started with an extra [[bread ration]]. Also, ogre hunters and artificers began with a [[club]] instead of a [[short sword]].
+*Prior to [[0.16]], Ogres started with an extra [[bread ration]]. Also, ogre hunters and artificers began with a [[club]] instead of a [[short sword]].
-*Prior to [[0.15]], ogres had [[Saprovore]] 1 and [[Fast Metabolism]].
+*Prior to [[0.15]], Ogres had [[Saprovore]] 1 and [[Fast Metabolism]].
-*Prior to [[0.13]], ogre hunters and artificers began with a [[short sword]] instead of a [[club]].
+*Prior to [[0.13]], Ogre Hunters and Artificers began with a [[short sword]] instead of a [[club]].
 ==References==

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 ==Preferred Backgrounds==
-*'''Warriors:''' [[Hunter]]
+*'''Warriors:''' [[Gladiator]]
-*'''Zealots:''' [[Berserker]]
+*'''Zealots:''' [[Berserker]], [[Cinder Acolyte]]
-*'''Warrior-mages:''' [[Arcane Marksman]]
+*'''Mages:''' [[Hedge Wizard]], [[Fire Elementalist]], [[Air Elementalist]]
 ==Level Bonuses==