Out of depth - Revision history

Hordes: adjust wording

2023-12-28T02:37:28Z

adjust wording

Hordes at 02:12, 28 December 2023

2023-12-28T02:12:32Z

Ge0ff at 18:57, 28 September 2023

2023-09-28T18:57:20Z

Hordes: make it clear that "random generation" is the main way to get OODS

2023-09-27T15:43:51Z

make it clear that "random generation" is the main way to get OODS

Ge0ff at 19:53, 13 August 2023

2023-08-13T19:53:17Z

Hordes: /* Creation */ minor wording (again)

2023-08-12T20:34:43Z

‎Creation: minor wording (again)

Hordes: /* Strategy */ add commas

2023-08-12T20:32:13Z

‎Strategy: add commas

Hordes: /* Strategy */ slight writing

2023-08-12T20:31:41Z

‎Strategy: slight writing

Hordes: version bump

2023-08-12T20:27:49Z

version bump

Ge0ff at 11:30, 26 October 2022

2022-10-26T11:30:20Z

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 ''For the other OOD, see [[Orb of Destruction]].''
-Crawl tends to create many '''out of depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, or monsters who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything higher than that is technically "OOD". The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
+Crawl tends to create many '''out of depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, or monsters who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything above that is technically "OOD". The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
 __NOTOC__
 ==Creation==
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 *Monsters can spawn in pregenerated [[vault]]s. For instance, one [[Lair]] entrance vault contains [[death yak]]s. Death yaks don't naturally spawn in the Dungeon at all, but are very tough enemies for D:8.
-There are some hardcoded assurances that certain, ridiculously difficult monsters can't spawn, such as a D:2 [[water moccasin]].
+There are some hardcoded assurances that certain, ridiculously difficult monsters can't spawn - [[water moccasin]]s can never spawn on D:2, though they can spawn on D:3.
 ==Strategy==
-OODs are most noticeable in the [[Dungeon]], the longest and most difficulty-variable branch, which has the most monster variety, and explored when the player doesn't have many options to deal with them. Many later branches don't have many floors, don't get much harder between floors, and many don't gate monsters by floor to begin with (harder monsters just spawn more rarely higher up). Later on, [[unique]] monsters fill the role of an "above-average monster".
+Out of depths are most noticeable in [[the Dungeon]]: it is the longest branch, ramps up in monster strength between floors, and is explored when you don't have as many options to escape. In other branches, out of depths can still be an issue, but less. For example, most characters will find D:5 [[killer bee]]s deadlier than [[Depths]]:2 [[caustic shrike]]s. Later on, [[unique]] monsters fill the role of an "above-average monster".
-When encountering an out-of-depth monster, check the monster's description, especially the speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
+When encountering an out-of-depth monster, check the monster's description, especially the speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away.
 ===Tips & Tricks===
-*[[Escaping_from_(and_avoiding)_trouble#Options_when_in_immediate_danger|Use your consumables]]! ''Especially'' if you can't escape by simple retreating.
+*[[Escaping_from_(and_avoiding)_trouble#Options_when_in_immediate_danger|Use your consumables]]! ''Especially'' if you can't escape by simply walking away.
 *If all else fails, you can simply skip the floor and descend downwards. After all, D:11 and Lair:1 are, ''most likely'', less dangerous than a D:10 with a wandering [[storm dragon]]. Even if the floor below would be dangerous, you can at least check out what's actually in store  (and decide from there).

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-''For the other OOD, see [[orb of destruction]].''
+''For the other OOD, see [[Orb of Destruction]].''
-Crawl tends to create many '''Out of Depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything above that is technically OOD. The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
+Crawl tends to create many '''out of depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, or monsters who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything higher than that is technically "OOD". The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
 __NOTOC__
 ==Creation==

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 ==Strategy==
-OODs are most noticeable in the [[Dungeon]], the longest and most difficulty-variable branch, which has the most monster variety, and explored when the player doesn't have many options to deal with them. Many later branches don't have many floors, don't get much harder between floors, and many don't gate monsters by floor to begin with (harder monsters just spawn more rarely higher up). Later on, [[unique]] monsters fill the role of "above-average monster".
+OODs are most noticeable in the [[Dungeon]], the longest and most difficulty-variable branch, which has the most monster variety, and explored when the player doesn't have many options to deal with them. Many later branches don't have many floors, don't get much harder between floors, and many don't gate monsters by floor to begin with (harder monsters just spawn more rarely higher up). Later on, [[unique]] monsters fill the role of an "above-average monster".
-When encountering an out-of-depth monster, check the monsters speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
+When encountering an out-of-depth monster, check the monster's description, especially the speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
 ===Tips & Tricks===

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 __NOTOC__
 ==Creation==
-Like all monsters, out of depth monsters are spawned when the floor is generated. Their 'base floor' is fuzzed, favoring the actual number, but often either up or down. However, there are also a few special cases with monster spawns which can break the "normal" rules of generation.
+Like all monsters, out of depth monsters are spawned when the floor is generated. Their 'base floor' is fuzzed, favoring the actual number, but often either up or down.
 *Monsters can often spawn in "bands", which have their own depth. Despite orc priests naturally spawning on D:4, they can spawn on D:3 or even D:2 as a part of an orc band. (Because this is common enough, D:3 Priests often aren't  considered OOD).
 *Monsters can spawn in pregenerated [[vault]]s. For instance, one [[Lair]] entrance vault contains [[death yak]]s. Death yaks don't naturally spawn in the Dungeon at all, but are very tough enemies for D:8.
 There are some hardcoded assurances that certain, ridiculously difficult monsters can't spawn, such as a D:2 [[water moccasin]].
-OODs are most noticeable in the [[Dungeon]], the longest and most difficulty-variable branch, which has the most monster variety, and explored when the player doesn't have many options to deal with them. Many later branches don't have many floors, don't get much harder between floors, and many don't gate monsters by floor to begin with (harder monsters just spawn more rarely higher up). [[Unique]] monsters tend to remain challenging later on.
+==Strategy==
-==Strategy==
+When encountering an out-of-depth monster, check the monsters speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
-*Check the monsters speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
 *[[Escaping_from_(and_avoiding)_trouble#Options_when_in_immediate_danger|Use your consumables]]! ''Especially'' if you can't escape by simple retreating.
 *If all else fails, you can simply skip the floor and descend downwards. After all, D:11 and Lair:1 are, ''most likely'', less dangerous than a D:10 with a wandering [[storm dragon]]. Even if the floor below would be dangerous, you can at least check out what's actually in store  (and decide from there).

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 ''For the other OOD, see [[orb of destruction]].''
-Crawl tends to create many '''Out of Depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.29.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything above that is technically OOD. The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
+Crawl tends to create many '''Out of Depth''' ('''OOD''') monsters, who have spawned on a higher floor then where they are "usually" spawned. The source file mon-pick-data.h<ref>{{source ref|0.30.1|mon-pick-data.h|1}}</ref> defines where is a monster's base floor is, so anything above that is technically OOD. The term typically refers to non-[[unique]] monsters which are much more difficult relative to where you are in the game, such as a [[sky beast]] on D:2.
 __NOTOC__
 ==Creation==

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+{{version030}}
 ''For the other OOD, see [[orb of destruction]].''
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 ==Creation==
 Like all monsters, out of depth monsters are spawned when the floor is generated. Their 'base floor' is fuzzed, favoring the actual number, but often either up or down. However, there are also a few special cases with monster spawns, which can break the "normal" rules of generation.
-*Monsters can often spawn in "bands", which have their own depth. Despite orc priests naturally spawning on D:4, they can spawn on D:3 or even D:2 as a part of an orc band. (Because this is common enough, D:3 Priests aren't often considered OOD).
+*Monsters can often spawn in "bands", which have their own depth. Despite orc priests naturally spawning on D:4, they can spawn on D:3 or even D:2 as a part of an orc band. (Because this is common enough, D:3 Priests often aren't  considered OOD).
-*Monsters can spawn in manually created [[vault]]s. For instance, one [[Lair]] entrance vault contains [[death yak]]s. They don't naturally spawn in the Dungeon proper at all, but are very tough enemies for D:8.
+*Monsters can spawn in pregenerated [[vault]]s. For instance, one [[Lair]] entrance vault contains [[death yak]]s. Death yaks don't naturally spawn in the Dungeon proper at all, but are very tough enemies for D:8.
 There are some hardcoded assurances that certain, ridiculously difficult monsters can't spawn, such as a D:2 [[water moccasin]].
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 *Check the monsters speed and range, and determine if you can just walk away. An OOD [[orc priest]] is extremely scary, with its 17 damage [[Smiting]] that reaches the entire screen. An [[ogre]] or [[hydra]] are 10 speed melee enemies, meaning you can just run away if you see them. The same applies to the 10 speed orc priest, but only if you can keep it out of sight (where monsters can't attack).
 *[[Escaping_from_(and_avoiding)_trouble#Options_when_in_immediate_danger|Use your consumables]]! ''Especially'' if you can't escape.
-*If all else fails, you can simply skip the floor and descend downwards. After all, D:10 ''most likely'' won't be as dangerous as a wandering D:9 [[fire dragon]]. Even if it'd be dangerous, not only is it safer than near-certain death, but you can at least check out what's actually in store (and decide from there).
+*If all else fails, you can simply skip the floor and descend downwards. After all, D:11 (or Lair:1) ''most likely'' won't be as dangerous as a wandering D:10 [[storm dragon]]. Even if it'd be dangerous, not only is it safer than near-certain death, but you can at least check out what's actually in store (and decide from there).
 ==History==