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Patrick2011b: /* Strategy */ remove reference to now-removed Centaurs; also slight rw

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‎Strategy: remove reference to now-removed Centaurs; also slight rw

Ge0ff at 20:31, 9 November 2023

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Hordes: mention hep ancestor

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mention hep ancestor

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‎Useful Info

Ge0ff at 20:30, 18 August 2023

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Hordes: using polearms (even rift) on adjacent enemy triggers spiny

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using polearms (even rift) on adjacent enemy triggers spiny

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 *The [[unrand]] [[Rift]] has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), completely ignores intervening monsters, and can ignore obstructing terrain like grates if they don't block line of effect.
 *The unrand [[lochaber axe]] will hit every enemy within 2 tiles. Any polearm can also reach with Xom's Cleave status can also reach-cleave.
-*While in [[Aqua Form]], any melee attack gains +2 tiles of reach, which stacks with the polearm bonus. Cleaving attacks will only hit the primary target and adjacent enemies, though. You can make [[auxiliary attack]]s on enemies up to 3 tiles away, but you cannot [[stab]] from reaching attacks.
+*While in [[Aqua Form]], any melee attack gains +2 tiles of reach, which stacks with polearm reaching. Also, you can make [[auxiliary attack]]s on enemies if you aren't using polearm reaching, but cleaving still hits the normal radius, and you cannot [[stab]] from any reaching attacks.
 ==Strategy==

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 *The [[unrand]] [[Rift]] has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), completely ignores intervening monsters, and can ignore obstructing terrain like grates if they don't block line of effect.
 *The unrand [[lochaber axe]] will hit every enemy within 2 tiles. Any polearm can also reach with Xom's Cleave status can also reach-cleave.
-*While in [[Aqua Form]], any melee attack gains +2 tiles of reach, which stacks with the polearm bonus. Cleaving attacks will only hit the primary target and adjacent enemies, though, and you cannot [[stab]] from reaching attacks.
+*While in [[Aqua Form]], any melee attack gains +2 tiles of reach, which stacks with the polearm bonus. Cleaving attacks will only hit the primary target and adjacent enemies, though. You can make [[auxiliary attack]]s on enemies up to 3 tiles away, but you cannot [[stab]] from reaching attacks.
 ==Strategy==

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 ===Special===
-*The [[unrand]] [[Rift]] has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), and completely ignores intervening monsters, and can ignore obstructing terrain like grates.
+*The [[unrand]] [[Rift]] has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), completely ignores intervening monsters, and can ignore obstructing terrain like grates if they don't block line of effect.
 *The unrand [[lochaber axe]] will hit every enemy within 2 tiles. Any polearm can also reach with Xom's Cleave status can also reach-cleave.
 *While in [[Aqua Form]], any melee attack gains +2 tiles of reach, which stacks with the polearm bonus. Cleaving attacks will only hit the primary target and adjacent enemies, though, and you cannot [[stab]] from reaching attacks.

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-'''Reaching''' is a property exclusive to and innate to [[polearm]]s. Reaching weapons may attack from two spaces away, one tile greater than usual. You may also attack through monsters, though not with perfect success.
+'''Reaching''' is a property innate to [[polearm]]s. By default, reaching weapons may attack from two spaces away, one tile greater than usual. You may also attack through monsters, though not with perfect success.
 ==Useful Info==
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 Friendly monsters you can fire projectiles through, such as [[Fedhas]] plants or [[Hepliaklqana]] ancestor, are treated as empty squares for reaching attacks.
-===Reach+===
+===Special===
-The [[artefact]] [[demon trident]] [[Rift]] has a special, smite-targeted reaching attack. It has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), and completely ignores intervening monsters and obstructing terrain (including grates).
+*The [[unrand]] [[Rift]] has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), and completely ignores intervening monsters, and can ignore obstructing terrain like grates.
 ==Strategy==

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 ==Strategy==
-*Even when you consider the 50% failure rate of attacks made through friendly units, reach attacks can be extremely useful for characters with access to summoned or permanent allies. When dealing with monsters capable of casting dangerous enchantments like [[Banish]] or [[Malmutate]], letting your summoned units block the enemy's line of fire while you poke it from the back row is a perfectly valid strategy.
+*Even when you consider the 50% failure rate of attacks made through friendly units, reach attacks can be extremely useful for characters with access to summoned or permanent allies. When dealing with monsters capable of casting dangerous enchantments like [[Banish]] or [[Malmutate]], letting your summoned units block the enemy's line of fire while you poke it from behind is a perfectly valid strategy.
-*If you can both move and attack faster than your enemy can move, it's possible to [[kite]] opponents with reaching melee attacks. Simply flee the enemy until you're two spaces away, then stab at the enemy until it closes the gap. Repeat until the enemy is dead. [[Centaur]]s are particularly good at this, as they move faster than most opponents and aren't restricted from wielding powerful two-handed weapons. Do note that reach-kiting doesn't work on monsters with ranged attacks.
+*If you can both move and attack faster than your enemy can move, it's possible to [[kite]] melee opponents with reach attacks. Simply flee the enemy until you're two spaces away, then stab at the enemy until it closes the gap. Repeat until the enemy is dead.
 ==Reaching Attacks by Monsters==

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 Immobile and/or neutral monsters like [[bush]]es and [[toadstool]]s are treated like mobile, hostile monsters when determining whether they block an attack. Reaching attacks ''may'' be freely made through inanimate [[statue]]s with no penalty. However, reaching attacks may ''not'' be made through [[iron grate]]s.
-Friendly monsters you can fire projectiles through, such as [[Fedhas]] plants or [[Hepliaklqana]] ancestor, are treated as empty for reaching attacks.
+Friendly monsters you can fire projectiles through, such as [[Fedhas]] plants or [[Hepliaklqana]] ancestor, are treated as empty squares for reaching attacks.
 ===Reach+===

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	Immobile and/or neutral monsters like [[bush]]es and [[toadstool]]s are treated like mobile, hostile monsters when determining whether they block an attack. Reaching attacks ''may'' be freely made through inanimate [[statue]]s with no penalty. However, reaching attacks may ''not'' be made through [[iron grate]]s.		Immobile and/or neutral monsters like [[bush]]es and [[toadstool]]s are treated like mobile, hostile monsters when determining whether they block an attack. Reaching attacks ''may'' be freely made through inanimate [[statue]]s with no penalty. However, reaching attacks may ''not'' be made through [[iron grate]]s.
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		+	Friendly monsters you can fire projectiles through, such as [[Fedhas]] plants or [[Hepliaklqana]] ancestor, are treated as empty for reaching attacks.

	===Reach+===		===Reach+===

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 You will automatically make reach attacks when appropriate while auto-attacking with [[Tab]], and you can manually make a reach attack with the '''v''' command.
-Other than the extra range, reaching is nearly identical to other melee attacks. When attacking from a distance:
+Other than the extra range, reaching is nearly identical to other melee attacks. When attacking from a distance, you won't make [[auxiliary attack]]s, and you won't be hurt from attacking [[spiny]] monsters. That ''only'' applies when attacking from a distance; using a polearm on an adjacent enemy will trigger aux attacks and spiny as normal.
 If there is a monster or obstacle between you and your target, there is a chance that your reaching attack will fail. See below for details.

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 '''Reaching''' is a property exclusive to and innate to [[polearm]]s. Reaching weapons may attack from two spaces away, one tile greater than usual. You may also attack through monsters, though not with perfect success.
 ==Useful Info==
-You will automatically make reach attacks when appropriate while auto-attacking with [[Tab]], and you can manually make a reach attack by evoking your wielded polearm with '''v'''. Apart from their increased range, reaching attacks only vary from standard attacks in a few ways:
+You will automatically make reach attacks when appropriate while auto-attacking with [[Tab]], and you can manually make a reach attack with the '''v''' command.
-*You will never trigger any of your [[auxiliary attack]]s while making a reach attack. Your weapon may be long enough to hit a distant target, but your [[claws]] and [[fangs]] aren't.
-*You cannot be injured by an enemy's [[Spiny|spines]] while making a reach attack.
+Other than the extra range, reaching is nearly identical to melee. When attacking from a distance:
-*If there is a monster or obstacle between you and your target, there is a chance that your reaching attack will fail. See below for details.
+*You won't make [[auxiliary attack]]s.
 ===Reach Attack Failure===
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 {{crawlquote|"You could not reach far enough!"}}
-Immobile and/or neutral monsters like [[bush]]es and [[toadstool]]s are treated like mobile, hostile monsters when determining whether they block an attack. Reaching attacks ''may'' be freely made through inanimate [[statue]]s with no penalty. However, reaching attacks may ''not'' be made through [[tree]]s or [[iron grate]]s.
+Immobile and/or neutral monsters like [[bush]]es and [[toadstool]]s are treated like mobile, hostile monsters when determining whether they block an attack. Reaching attacks ''may'' be freely made through inanimate [[statue]]s with no penalty. However, reaching attacks may ''not'' be made through  [[iron grate]]s.
 ===Reach+===
-The [[artefact]] [[demon trident]] [[Rift]] has a special, smite-targeted reaching attack. It has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), and completely ignores intervening monsters and obstructing terrain.
+The [[artefact]] [[demon trident]] [[Rift]] has a special, smite-targeted reaching attack. It has an extra tile of reach (3 tiles), and completely ignores intervening monsters and obstructing terrain (including grates).
 ==Strategy==