Short Blades - Revision history

Hordes at 15:46, 9 March 2024

2024-03-09T15:46:17Z

Hordes: swap from "speed" to "delay" + "mindelay"

2024-03-09T15:38:10Z

swap from "speed" to "delay" + "mindelay"

Hordes: remove 'damage type' & 'prob' columns for being not that helpful

2024-03-08T22:05:36Z

remove 'damage type' & 'prob' columns for being not that helpful

Hordes: v. bump

2024-01-30T14:07:05Z

v. bump

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-08-01T07:12:04Z

‎Strategy

Hordes at 17:38, 9 July 2023

2023-07-09T17:38:05Z

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-07-04T08:49:14Z

‎Strategy

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-07-04T08:48:30Z

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Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-06-16T08:49:17Z

‎Strategy

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-05-23T00:02:28Z

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 ==List of Short Blades==
-{| class="wikitable"
+{| class="wikitable sortable"
-! Name || Dam || Hit || Delay || Min. delay || Hands || Size || Cuts Hydras?
+! Name || Dam || Hit || Delay || Min delay || Hands || Size || Cuts Hydras?
 |-
 | [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || 5 (10 skill) || One || Any || No

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 {| class="wikitable"
-! Name || Dam || Hit || Speed || Hands || Size || Cuts Hydras?
+! Name || Dam || Hit || Delay || Min. delay || Hands || Size || Cuts Hydras?
 |-
-| [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || One || Any || No
+| [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || 5 (10 skill) || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Quick blade]] || 4x2 || +6 || 12 || One || Any || No
+| [[Quick blade]] || 4x2 || +6 || 12 || 5 (14 skill) || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Short sword]] || 5 || +4 || 11 || One || Any || No
+| [[Short sword]] || 5 || +4 || 10 || 5 (10 skill) || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Rapier]] || 7 || +4 || 12 || One || Any || No
+| [[Rapier]] || 7 || +4 || 12 || 5 (14 skill) || One || Any || No
 |-
 |}

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 {| class="wikitable"
-! Name || Dam || Hit || Speed || Hands || Size || Dam Type || Prob
+! Name || Dam || Hit || Speed || Hands || Size || Cuts Hydras?
 |-
-| [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || One || Little || Piercing || 10
+| [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Quick blade]] || 4x2 || +6 || 12 || One || Little || Piercing || 2
+| [[Quick blade]] || 4x2 || +6 || 12 || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Short sword]] || 5 || +4 || 11 || One || Little || Piercing || 10
+| [[Short sword]] || 5 || +4 || 11 || One || Any || No
 |-
-| [[Rapier]] || 7 || +4 || 12 || One || Little || Piercing || 10
+| [[Rapier]] || 7 || +4 || 12 || One || Any || No
 |-
 |}
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 Short Blades are good at two things:
-* They receive bonus damage from [[stabbing]]. Great if your character has a consistent way to stab things. [[Hexes]] are the most obvious means to do so. Both [[Uskayaw]] and [[Gozag]] offer ways to stab things, even [[orbs of fire]].
+*They receive bonus damage from [[stabbing]]. Great if your character has a consistent way to stab things. [[Hexes]] are the most obvious means to do so. Both [[Uskayaw]] and [[Gozag]] offer ways to stab things, even [[orbs of fire]].
-* They attack quickly. All Short Blades have a mindelay of 0.5, and [[quick blade]]s attack at twice that speed. They are great with flat damage procs. [[Slaying]] gives you +1 damage per swing, no matter how how strong your attack is. So the faster you swing, the more you benefit. Other than slaying, [[auxiliary attack]]s and certain [[brand]]s  ([[venom]], [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)|pain]], [[distortion]], [[chaos]]) are flat effects.
+*They attack quickly. All Short Blades have a mindelay of 0.5, and [[quick blade]]s attack at twice that speed. They are great with flat damage procs. [[Slaying]] gives you +1 damage per swing, no matter how how strong your attack is. So the faster you swing, the more you benefit. Other than slaying, [[auxiliary attack]]s and certain [[brand]]s  ([[venom]], [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)|pain]], [[distortion]], [[chaos]]) are flat effects.
 : Conversely, enemy [[AC]] has the greatest impact to Short Blade damage.

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 The '''Short Blades''' skill denotes how adept your character is at using short bladed weapons. Although these weapons have the lowest base damage in the game, you can attack fast with them, and they do obscene amounts of damage when used for [[stabbing]]. This skill [[crosstrain]]s with the [[Long Blades]] skill.
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 | [[Dagger]] || 4 || +6 || 10 || One || Little || Piercing || 10
 |-
-| [[Quick blade]] || 4 || +6 || 7 || One || Little || Piercing || 2
+| [[Quick blade]] || 4x2 || +6 || 12 || One || Little || Piercing || 2
 |-
 | [[Short sword]] || 5 || +4 || 11 || One || Little || Piercing || 10
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 * They receive bonus damage from [[stabbing]]. Great if your character has a consistent way to stab things. [[Hexes]] are the most obvious means to do so. Both [[Uskayaw]] and [[Gozag]] offer ways to stab things, even [[orbs of fire]].
-* They attack quickly. Most short blades attack at 0.5 mindelay, and [[quick blade]]s attack at 0.3 mindelay. They are great with flat damage procs. [[Slaying]] gives you +1 damage per swing, no matter how how strong your attack is. So the faster you swing, the more you benefit. Other than slaying, [[auxiliary attack]]s and certain [[brand]]s  ([[venom]], [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)|pain]], [[distortion]], [[chaos]]) are flat effects.
+* They attack quickly. All Short Blades have a mindelay of 0.5, and [[quick blade]]s attack at twice that speed. They are great with flat damage procs. [[Slaying]] gives you +1 damage per swing, no matter how how strong your attack is. So the faster you swing, the more you benefit. Other than slaying, [[auxiliary attack]]s and certain [[brand]]s  ([[venom]], [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)|pain]], [[distortion]], [[chaos]]) are flat effects.
 : Conversely, enemy [[AC]] has the greatest impact to Short Blade damage.

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 Another positive is that Short Blades "require" less skill than other weapons; they are more accurate, and it takes less skill to reach mindelay.
-To compensate, Short Blades have the worst base damage of all weapon types, and they fare the worst against [[AC]]. So, for "fair" combat, Short Blades are the weakest weapon type. However, stabbers aren't playing fair. Plus, a [[quick blade]] of distortion can remain viable into [[Zot]], whether you stab or not. If nothing else, you can use the crosstraining to swap to Long Blades.
+To compensate, Short Blades have the worst base damage of all weapon types, and they are the worst against [[AC]]. For "fair combat", Short Blades are the weakest weapon types - but stabbers aren't playing fair. And, stabber or not, a [[quick blade]] of distortion can remain viable into [[Zot]]. If nothing else, you can use the crosstraining to swap to Long Blades.
-An early [[dagger]] / [[short blade]] of [[venom]] can make the earlygame a lot easier, even if you started with another weapon.
+An early [[dagger]] / [[short blade]] of [[venom]] can make the earlygame a lot easier, even at 0 skill.
 ==History==

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 The '''Short Blades''' skill denotes how adept your character is at using short bladed weapons. Although these weapons have the lowest base damage in the game, you can attack fast with them, and they do obscene amounts of damage when used for [[stabbing]]. This skill [[crosstrain]]s with the [[Long Blades]] skill.
-Short Blades use [[Dexterity]] instead of [[Strength]] for their attacks.
+Short Blades use [[dexterity]] instead of [[strength]] for their attacks.
 {{skill aptitudes}}
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 ==History==
-*In [[0.29]], Short Blades now use [[Dexterity]] instead of [[Strength]] for their attacks. Except for [[dagger]]s, all short blades were reduced by 1 base damage.
+*In [[0.29]], Short Blades now use [[dexterity]] instead of [[strength]] for their attacks. Except for [[dagger]]s, all short blades were reduced by 1 base damage.
 *Prior to [[0.20]], the [[Captain's Cutlass]] still dealt slicing damage despite all other short blades dealing piercing damage.
 *In [[0.16]], [[cutlass]]es were renamed to rapiers. Short swords and rapiers were changed from slicing to piercing damage.

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 Another positive is that Short Blades "require" less skill than other weapons; they are more accurate, and it takes less skill to reach mindelay.
-To compensate for their fast speed, Short Blades have the worst base damage of all weapon types, and they are affected the most by AC. This makes Short Blades the weakest "overall" weapon type. However, a stabber won't care, because they get a massive damage bonus from stabbing. And, a [[quick blade]] with great bonuses can remain viable even in [[Zot]] (even without stabs). If nothing else, you can use the crosstraining to swap to Long Blades.
+To compensate for their fast speed, Short Blades have the worst base damage of all weapon types, and they are affected the most by AC. This makes Short Blades the weakest "overall" weapon type. However, a stabber won't care due to the massive damage bonus from stabbing. And a [[quick blade]] can remain viable even into [[Zot]] - and even without stabs - if you have a great brand like distortion. If nothing else, you can use the crosstraining to swap to Long Blades.
 An early [[dagger]] / [[short blade]] of [[venom]] can make the earlygame a lot easier, even if you started with another weapon.