Speed (brand) - Revision history

Hordes at 16:20, 4 November 2025

2025-11-04T16:20:23Z

Hordes at 16:17, 4 November 2025

2025-11-04T16:17:33Z

Hordes at 19:39, 19 January 2024

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Hordes at 02:04, 16 October 2023

2023-10-16T02:04:05Z

Hordes: delete useful info header and re-arr things

2023-10-16T02:02:15Z

delete useful info header and re-arr things

Hordes: it's -33%, not x33%

2023-09-04T21:42:45Z

it's -33%, not x33%

Ge0ff: "attacks take only 66% as long as normal" means "the delay is reduced by 33%"

2023-09-04T21:37:24Z

"attacks take only 66% as long as normal" means "the delay is reduced by 33%"

Hordes: consistency with heavy

2023-09-02T23:10:18Z

consistency with heavy

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2023-09-02T22:47:34Z

‎Strategy

Hordes: new format, +strategy

2023-09-02T22:45:14Z

new format, +strategy

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 {{flavour|Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.}}
+__NOTOC__
 The '''speed''' [[brand]] does the following:
 *Reduces [[attack delay|time to attack]] by -33.3% (for an extra +50% damage/turn).
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 **Non-integer [[aut]] delays are rounded in a weighted manner, after speed is accounted for. If you have a 0.7 [[decaAut]] delay before speed, you'd have an average of 0.467 delay. This equates to a 67% chance to attack at 0.5 decaAut, and a 33% chance to attack at 0.4 decaAut.
-Note that speed is ''not'' particularly worse against high [[AC]] enemies - speed increases your post-AC damage/turn by +50% against any enemy. Brands like [[flaming]] and [[freezing]] also increase post-AC damage. For example, if you dealt 10 damage, and enemy AC would reduce it by 5:
+===AC Note===
 *Speed: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1 multiplier * 1.5 attacks</code> = 7.5 damage/turn
 *Flaming: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1.25 multiplier * 1 attack</code> = 6.25 damage per turn
 [[Heavy]] is particularly good against AC, and 'flat damage' brands like [[electrocution]] ignore AC entirely. This is because these brands are good against AC; not that speed is bad against high AC enemies.

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 {{flavour|Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.}}
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 *Reduces [[attack delay|time to attack]] by -33.3% (for an extra +50% damage/turn).
 **The bonus to attack speed happens after skill, but before [[shield]] or [[armour encumbrance]]. Therefore, encumbrance has a somewhat greater impact on speed weapons: going from 0.5 -> 0.6 delay is a bigger difference than 0.75 -> 0.85 delay.
-**Non-integer [[aut]] delays are rounded in a weighted manner, after speed is accounted for. If you have a 0.7 [[decaAut]] delay before speed, you'd have an average of 0.467 delay. This equates to a 67% chance (per turn) to attack at 0.5 decaAut, and a 33% chance to attack at 0.4 decaAut.
+**Non-integer [[aut]] delays are rounded in a weighted manner, after speed is accounted for. If you have a 0.7 [[decaAut]] delay before speed, you'd have an average of 0.467 delay. This equates to a 67% chance to attack at 0.5 decaAut, and a 33% chance to attack at 0.4 decaAut.
-Note that speed is ''not'' particularly worse against high [[AC]] enemies - speed increases your post-AC damage/turn by +50% against any enemy. Brands like [[flaming]] and [[freezing]] also increase post-AC damage. For example, if you dealt 10 damage, any enemy AC reduces it by 5:
+Note that speed is ''not'' particularly worse against high [[AC]] enemies - speed increases your post-AC damage/turn by +50% against any enemy. Brands like [[flaming]] and [[freezing]] also increase post-AC damage. For example, if you dealt 10 damage, and enemy AC would reduce it by 5:
 *Speed: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1 multiplier * 1.5 attacks</code> = 7.5 damage/turn
 *Flaming: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1.25 multiplier * 1 attack</code> = 6.25 damage per turn

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 {{flavour|Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.}}
 The '''speed''' [[brand]] does the following:
-*Reduces [[attack delay|time to attack]] by -33%, which equates to an extra +50% damage/turn.
+*Reduces [[attack delay|time to attack]] by -33.3% (for an extra +50% damage/turn).
-**The bonus to attack speed happens after skill, but before [[shield]] or [[armour encumbrance]]. Therefore, encumbrance has a somewhat greater impact on speed weapons. Adding +0.1 to a 0.5 delay matters more than 0.75 delay.
+**The bonus to attack speed happens after skill, but before [[shield]] or [[armour encumbrance]]. Therefore, encumbrance has a somewhat greater impact on speed weapons: going from 0.5 -> 0.6 delay is a bigger difference than 0.75 -> 0.85 delay.
-**As usual, non-integer [[aut]] delays are rounded in a weighted manner, after speed is accounted for. E.g. if you have a 0.7 [[decaAut]] delay, you'd have an average 0.467 delay after speed. This equates to a 67% chance (per turn) to attack at 0.5 decaAut, and a 33% chance to attack at 0.4 decaAut.
+**Non-integer [[aut]] delays are rounded in a weighted manner, after speed is accounted for. If you have a 0.7 [[decaAut]] delay before speed, you'd have an average of 0.467 delay. This equates to a 67% chance (per turn) to attack at 0.5 decaAut, and a 33% chance to attack at 0.4 decaAut.
 Note that speed is ''not'' particularly worse against high [[AC]] enemies - speed increases your post-AC damage/turn by +50% against any enemy. Brands like [[flaming]] and [[freezing]] also increase post-AC damage. For example, if you dealt 10 damage, any enemy AC reduces it by 5:

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 *Speed: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1 multiplier * 1.5 attacks</code> = 7.5 damage/turn
 *Flaming: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1.25 multiplier * 1 attack</code> = 6.25 damage per turn
-[[Heavy]] is particularly good against AC, and 'flat damage' brands like [[electrocution]] ignore AC entirely. This is because these brands are good against AC; not that speed is bad against AC.
+[[Heavy]] is particularly good against AC, and 'flat damage' brands like [[electrocution]] ignore AC entirely. This is because these brands are good against AC; not that speed is bad against high AC enemies.
 ==Sources==
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 Speed is one of the best 'percentage' brands in the game - it's irresistible and provides a large, consistent increase to damage output independent of enemy AC. It's objectively better than [[flaming]] or [[freezing]], which are already good enough for a 3-rune game. A [[hand axe]] of speed isn't an endgame weapon, but [[Arga]] is one of the strongest one-handed weapons almost purely because of this brand.
 *[[Holy wrath]] is usually better for [[extended]], but does nothing if the target isn't undead/demonic.
-*[[Spectral]] offers a stronger (+70%) damage boost, but the spectral weapon needs to be positioned correctly, and it can cause you to take extra damage from AOE attacks.
+*[[Spectral]] offers a stronger (+70%) damage boost, but the spectral weapon needs an empty tile to spawn, and it can cause you to take extra damage from AOE attacks.
 Also, since weak weapons like [[dagger]]s and [[short sword]]s have such low base damage, 'flat' brands (e.g. [[venom]], [[electrocution]]) can end up being stronger in the early-game.

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 The '''speed''' [[brand]] does the following:
 *Reduces [[attack delay|time to attack]] by -33%, which equates to an extra +50% damage/turn.
-:The bonus to attack speed happens after skill, but before [[shield]] or [[armour encumbrance]]. Therefore, encumbrance has a somewhat greater impact on speed weapons. An extra +0.1 delay matters 50% more with 0.5 delay than 0.75 delay.
+**The bonus to attack speed happens after skill, but before [[shield]] or [[armour encumbrance]]. Therefore, encumbrance has a somewhat greater impact on speed weapons. Adding +0.1 to a 0.5 delay matters more than 0.75 delay.
-==Useful Info==
+Note that speed is ''not'' particularly worse against high [[AC]] enemies - speed increases your post-AC damage/turn by +50% against any enemy. Brands like [[flaming]] and [[freezing]] also increase post-AC damage. For example, if you dealt 10 damage, any enemy AC reduces it by 5:
-*Speed is ''not'' particularly worse against [[AC]]. Speed increases your post-AC damage by +50% against all enemies. For reference, brands like [[flaming]] or [[freezing]] multiply your post-AC damage by average +25%. If you dealt 10 damage, and enemy AC reduces it by 5:
+*Speed: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1 multiplier * 1.5 attacks</code> = 7.5 damage/turn
-**Speed: (10 - 5) damage * 3/2 attacks = 7.5 damage/turn
+*Flaming: <code>(10 - 5) damage * 1.25 multiplier * 1 attack</code> = 6.25 damage per turn
-**Flaming: (10 - 5) damage * 1.25 multiplier = 6.25 damage/turn
+[[Heavy]] is particularly good against AC, and 'flat damage' brands like [[electrocution]] ignore AC entirely. This is because these brands are good against AC; not that speed is bad against AC.
 ==Sources==
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 Also, since weak weapons like [[dagger]]s and [[short sword]]s have such low base damage, 'flat' brands (e.g. [[venom]], [[electrocution]]) can end up being stronger in the early-game.
 ==History==