Stabbing - Revision history

Hordes at 19:49, 2 November 2025

2025-11-02T19:49:15Z

Hordes at 19:47, 2 November 2025

2025-11-02T19:47:23Z

Hordes: /* Stabbing Damage */

2025-11-02T19:45:26Z

‎Stabbing Damage

Hordes at 19:44, 2 November 2025

2025-11-02T19:44:49Z

Hordes: /* Stab Tiers */

2025-11-02T19:39:19Z

‎Stab Tiers

Hordes: /* Strategy */

2025-04-03T23:07:48Z

‎Strategy

Ge0ff: This info should be in the article itself instead of just in the minor edit's Summary. Also, separate "can't stab at all" and "can stab if petrified/paralyzed" cases

2025-02-20T11:13:39Z

This info should be in the article itself instead of just in the minor edit's Summary. Also, separate "can't stab at all" and "can stab if petrified/paralyzed" cases

Oneirical: This is incorrect: Vhi's Charge can stab, just not "naturally sleeping" monsters. Paralyzed monsters or those asleep from Ensorcelled Hibernation can be stabbed just fine with this spell.

2025-02-19T06:07:35Z

This is incorrect: Vhi's Charge can stab, just not "naturally sleeping" monsters. Paralyzed monsters or those asleep from Ensorcelled Hibernation can be stabbed just fine with this spell.

Regret-index: Mention Shadowslip being on the distraction stab source list.

2025-01-05T00:36:00Z

Mention Shadowslip being on the distraction stab source list.

Patrick2011b: bump

2024-12-27T20:37:54Z

bump

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 You cannot make stab attacks when:
 *You are [[confused]]
 *The target is [[invisible]], and you cannot [[see invisible]]
 *You are worshipping [[The Shining One]] (who considers stabbing dishonorable)
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 ==History==
 *Prior to [[0.27]], stabs would bypass some of your target's AC, depending on your [[Stealth]] and weapon skills. This was converted into a flat bonus to stabbing damage instead.
 *Prior to [[0.20]], The Shining One would inflict [[penance]] for stabbing intelligent foes that were not demons or undead.

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 ''This article is about stabbing attacks. For the removed [[potion]], see [[potion of stabbing]].''
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 ==Strategy==
-"Pure" [[Stealth]] is less viable than other offensive skills. The enemy always has a chance to wake up... and training only Stealth means you can't deal with anything that wakes up. Plus, enemies often spawn in packs, and if one enemy detects you, they all wake up.
+"Pure" [[Stealth]] is less viable than other offensive skills. The enemy always has a chance to wake up... and training only Short Blades and Stealth means you can't deal with anything that wakes up. Plus, enemies often spawn in packs, and if one enemy detects you, they all wake up.
-Thus, a "stabber" character will often rely on magic to incapacitate their enemies. [[Hexes]] spells (like [[Ensorcelled Hibernation]], [[Confusing Touch]]) as well as spells in certain other schools ([[Mephitic Cloud]], [[Petrify]], etc.) will give you opportunities to stab. Certain gods, like [[Uskayaw]], can work in a similar way. A [[wand of paralysis]] is a limited, but powerful way to disable enemies. Also, any means of having [[allies]] can let you get distraction stabs here and there.
+Thus, a typical "stabber" character will often rely on magic to incapacitate their enemies. [[Hexes]] spells (like [[Ensorcelled Hibernation]], [[Confusing Touch]]) as well as spells in certain other schools ([[Mephitic Cloud]], [[Petrify]], etc.) will give you opportunities to stab. Certain gods, like [[Uskayaw]], can work in a similar way. A [[wand of paralysis]] is a limited, but powerful way to disable enemies. Also, any means of having [[allies]] can let you get distraction stabs here and there.
 ==Gallery==

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 The additional damage from a stab attempt varies based on the target's status effect, the weapon you make the attack with, your skill with the weapon, and your Stealth skill. The stab tier and your weapon are the largest factors.
-[[Short Blades]] are especially effective at stabbing, and receive a "good stab" bonus, with [[dagger]]s getting al arger boost. Attacks from [[Felid]]s' claws, [[Spider Form]], orany melee attack while wearing the [[hood of the Assassin]], also receive an equivalent bonus. All other weapons/melee attacks are identical.
+[[Short Blades]] are especially effective at stabbing, and receive a "good stab" bonus, with [[dagger]]s getting a larger boost. Attacks from [[Felid]]s' claws, [[Spider Form]], or any melee attack while wearing the [[hood of the Assassin]], also receive an equivalent bonus. All other weapons/melee attacks are identical.
 ===Formula===

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 The additional damage from a stab attempt varies based on the target's status effect, the weapon you make the attack with, your skill with the weapon, and your Stealth skill. The stab tier and your weapon are the largest factors.
-[[Short Blades]] are especially effective at stabbing foes. [[Felid]] claws, or any melee attack when wearing the [[hood of the Assassin]], are considered equivalent to Short Blades for purposes of stabbing damage. All other stabs are identical.
+[[Short Blades]] are especially effective at stabbing, and receive a "good stab" bonus, with [[dagger]]s getting al arger boost. Attacks from [[Felid]]s' claws, [[Spider Form]], orany melee attack while wearing the [[hood of the Assassin]], also receive an equivalent bonus. All other weapons/melee attacks are identical.
 ===Formula===
 There are three sources of damage, listed in order of operation:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|attack.cc|1476}}</ref>
-*[[Short Blades]] (and equivalent) get an innate source of flat damage. [[Dagger]]s get an additional boost.
+*[[Short Blades]] and other "good stab" items get an innate source of flat damage. [[Dagger]]s get an additional boost.
 *All weapons get a multiplier to damage, which depends on stab tier, skill, and is increased when using Short Blades. This multiplier does not account for enemy [[AC]], but does account for [[slaying]], [[Fighting]], [[brand]], etc.
 *All weapons get a flat bonus to damage on top. This is modified by stab tier only.

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 *[[Confusion|Confused]]
 *Awake, but hasn't noticed you yet
-*Distracted by damage from a non-player source, having activated [[Dithmenos]]'s Shadow Slip invocation, or through [[Gozag]]'s gold aura
+*Distracted (whether by damage from a non-player source, [[Dithmenos]]'s Shadow Slip invocation, or through [[Gozag]]'s gold aura)
 ==Stabbing Odds==

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 *You are worshipping [[The Shining One]] (who considers stabbing dishonorable)
 *You are attacking with [[Manifold Assault]]
-*You are [[rampaging]] in [[seven-league boots]] towards a sleeping target (petrified or paralysed targets ''can'' be stabbed).
 Monsters cannot stab. There are a few stab-like effects: a [[sleep]]ing creature will take bonus damage from monster melee attacks, and a [[shadow]] deals bonus damage if it's invisible (and the target can't see invisible). However, these are completely separate from the stabbing mechanic.