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		<title>Qqqqwe2: Qqqqwe2 moved page Talk:Tasonir's Melee Naga Guide to Talk:ARCHIVED Tasonir's Melee Naga Guide: old, heavily revolves around removed skill (Tm)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Qqqqwe2 moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/Talk:Tasonir%27s_Melee_Naga_Guide&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Tasonir&amp;#039;s Melee Naga Guide&quot;&gt;Talk:Tasonir&amp;#039;s Melee Naga Guide&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/Talk:ARCHIVED_Tasonir%27s_Melee_Naga_Guide&quot; title=&quot;Talk:ARCHIVED Tasonir&amp;#039;s Melee Naga Guide&quot;&gt;Talk:ARCHIVED Tasonir&amp;#039;s Melee Naga Guide&lt;/a&gt;: old, heavily revolves around removed skill (Tm)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>And into at 17:42, 30 March 2014</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Updated the guide for .11, made some minor changes to mention the invis/teleport wands and make stealth seem a bit more useful, although I'm still not a huge fan of it, mostly because it's frustrating to try to approach monsters who haven't noticed you when you move so slowly.&amp;#160; You end up shouting a lot and it just slows things down a lot :)&amp;#160; But the wands are a great suggestion.&amp;#160; I didn't mention needles specifically when I said throwing, but I also don't mention any other thrown object at all.&amp;#160; When I talk about throwing I generally mean all throwing, although I think javelins are probably best for a naga. --[[User:Tasonir|Tasonir]] 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Updated the guide for .11, made some minor changes to mention the invis/teleport wands and make stealth seem a bit more useful, although I'm still not a huge fan of it, mostly because it's frustrating to try to approach monsters who haven't noticed you when you move so slowly.&amp;#160; You end up shouting a lot and it just slows things down a lot :)&amp;#160; But the wands are a great suggestion.&amp;#160; I didn't mention needles specifically when I said throwing, but I also don't mention any other thrown object at all.&amp;#160; When I talk about throwing I generally mean all throwing, although I think javelins are probably best for a naga. --[[User:Tasonir|Tasonir]] 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>MoogleDan: Moved to credit the author</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Moved to credit the author&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Written by Tasonir, and I'll keep this updated as time passes.  Feel free to make any minor edits if needed, or talk here if you think something should be changed.  --[[User:Tasonir|Tasonir]] 2012/3/27&lt;br /&gt;
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Stats section: &amp;quot;you will can branch&amp;quot;.  I didn't change it since I'm not sure if you meant &amp;quot;you can&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;you can and will&amp;quot; or something else. [[User:Rchandra|Rchandra]] 21:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Appreciated, it's fixed, with some other wording changes to hopefully be more well written :) --[[User:Tasonir|Tasonir]] 22:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a few suggestions, you suggest javelins and slings to train throwing, however you might find that a decent blowgun and needles you find have more utility, and just use a sling or simply throw rocks at things that can't be affected by needles.  This is also a good way to get the attention of one mob rather than shouting.  I also tend to have 6-8 empty low level wands by the time I hit lair as well, so when you get one, don't bother trying to save it for later.  You may need it now.  However save scrolls of recharging for those wands that you plan to continually use, i.e. healing, invisibility (a great escape for even the slowest naga), and teleport (when combined with the afformentioned invisibility, it's a perfect getaway).  Using these tools you can then start raising stealth by mid game and then you really get the chance to pick when and where your fights are, even if there are enemies everywhere, they just won't notice you to attack.  Finally, with the Naga of Chei's great strength and your high unarmed skill, you can fight at a doorway and enemies that normally move to let others through cannot.  It's not perfect, but it can make a fight managable.--[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 21:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Updated the guide for .11, made some minor changes to mention the invis/teleport wands and make stealth seem a bit more useful, although I'm still not a huge fan of it, mostly because it's frustrating to try to approach monsters who haven't noticed you when you move so slowly.  You end up shouting a lot and it just slows things down a lot :)  But the wands are a great suggestion.  I didn't mention needles specifically when I said throwing, but I also don't mention any other thrown object at all.  When I talk about throwing I generally mean all throwing, although I think javelins are probably best for a naga. --[[User:Tasonir|Tasonir]] 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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