Talk:Ashenzari - Revision history

Spudwalt: /* Skill boost calculation */ new section

2021-08-06T10:38:24Z

‎Skill boost calculation: new section

Bwijn: /* What armours are light/medium/heavy now? */ thank you

2016-07-22T08:34:29Z

‎What armours are light/medium/heavy now?: thank you

GenericPseudonym: /* What armours are light/medium/heavy now? */

2016-07-21T19:52:25Z

‎What armours are light/medium/heavy now?

Bwijn: /* What armours are light/medium/heavy now? */ reply

2016-07-21T11:04:33Z

‎What armours are light/medium/heavy now?: reply

Fambida: EVP to ER question

2016-07-19T09:19:02Z

EVP to ER question

Bwijn: /* buggy features of Ash 0.12 */ gloves and boots hazards

2013-06-03T11:44:24Z

‎buggy features of Ash 0.12: gloves and boots hazards

Spudwalt at 19:26, 2 June 2013

2013-06-02T19:26:45Z

MoogleDan at 13:29, 2 June 2013

2013-06-02T13:29:14Z

Bwijn: /* buggy features of Ash 0.12 */ fix

2013-06-02T09:47:03Z

‎buggy features of Ash 0.12: fix

Bwijn: /* buggy features of Ash 0.12 */ -typo

2013-06-02T09:44:31Z

‎buggy features of Ash 0.12: -typo

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	::[[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]] ([[User talk:GenericPseudonym\|talk]]) 21:52, 21 July 2016 (CEST)		::[[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]] ([[User talk:GenericPseudonym\|talk]]) 21:52, 21 July 2016 (CEST)
	:::Thank you, [[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]], you did a good job! -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 10:34, 22 July 2016 (CEST)		:::Thank you, [[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]], you did a good job! -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 10:34, 22 July 2016 (CEST)
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		+	== Skill boost calculation ==
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		+	Not sure the math on that example is accurate -- according to the [[Skill]] page, it takes 3,750 points to go from level 9 to level 14 (assuming 0 aptitude). Level 9 to Level 14 with three curses sounds accurate enough, though.
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		+	The actual calculation might be a few lines earlier in the code (line [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.27.0/crawl-ref/source/god-passive.cc#L767 767]), but I don't know enough about how the game calculates things and what the variables mean to be sure. Maybe there's some sort of factor of 10(ish) somewhere, but heck if I know where it's coming from. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 12:38, 6 August 2021 (CEST)

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	::Code is [[https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.18.1/crawl-ref/source/godpassive.cc#L869 here]]. I've added the info to the article.		::Code is [[https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.18.1/crawl-ref/source/godpassive.cc#L869 here]]. I've added the info to the article.
	::[[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]] ([[User talk:GenericPseudonym\|talk]]) 21:52, 21 July 2016 (CEST)		::[[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]] ([[User talk:GenericPseudonym\|talk]]) 21:52, 21 July 2016 (CEST)
		+	:::Thank you, [[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]], you did a good job! -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 10:34, 22 July 2016 (CEST)

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	With EVP having been replaced with ER several versions ago, what armours count as what weight for Ash's skill boosts? [[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]])		With EVP having been replaced with ER several versions ago, what armours count as what weight for Ash's skill boosts? [[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]])
	:I've not code-dived, so can't provide exact parameters. OTOH (from game experience) it seems guessable: leather armor (incl. troll leather) and the lightest dragon armours (steam and mottled) are light weight; chain, plate and crystal plate are heavy as well as shadow, storm and gold dragon armours. The rest is medium. Hope I could be of some help. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 13:04, 21 July 2016 (CEST)		:I've not code-dived, so can't provide exact parameters. OTOH (from game experience) it seems guessable: leather armor (incl. troll leather) and the lightest dragon armours (steam and mottled) are light weight; chain, plate and crystal plate are heavy as well as shadow, storm and gold dragon armours. The rest is medium. Hope I could be of some help. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 13:04, 21 July 2016 (CEST)
		+	::Code is [[https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.18.1/crawl-ref/source/godpassive.cc#L869 here]]. I've added the info to the article.
		+	::[[User:GenericPseudonym\|GenericPseudonym]] ([[User talk:GenericPseudonym\|talk]]) 21:52, 21 July 2016 (CEST)

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	== What armours are light/medium/heavy now? ==		== What armours are light/medium/heavy now? ==
	With EVP having been replaced with ER several versions ago, what armours count as what weight for Ash's skill boosts? [[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]])		With EVP having been replaced with ER several versions ago, what armours count as what weight for Ash's skill boosts? [[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]])
		+	:I've not code-dived, so can't provide exact parameters. OTOH (from game experience) it seems guessable: leather armor (incl. troll leather) and the lightest dragon armours (steam and mottled) are light weight; chain, plate and crystal plate are heavy as well as shadow, storm and gold dragon armours. The rest is medium. Hope I could be of some help. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 13:04, 21 July 2016 (CEST)

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	:::Okay hombres, in (A) cursed gloves and boots have missed indeed. I' ve even tested it now: one more cursed armour piece gives "partial bound" and two more gives "fully bound in armour" and the desireable stats boost in Dodging and Stealth. It's that easy. Nevertheless I'm not happy that cursing two armour components (which is not at all easy to get the scrolls for & reduces flexibility strongly) gives NOTHING - not even a feedback message of orientation. - Just by the way: I had no chance to wear gloves or shoes because I never found any piece up to Lair:4 (a plain gloves). I've seen hundreds of games even in 0.12 now and know quite well that a pair of gloves is normally not a rare finding.		:::Okay hombres, in (A) cursed gloves and boots have missed indeed. I' ve even tested it now: one more cursed armour piece gives "partial bound" and two more gives "fully bound in armour" and the desireable stats boost in Dodging and Stealth. It's that easy. Nevertheless I'm not happy that cursing two armour components (which is not at all easy to get the scrolls for & reduces flexibility strongly) gives NOTHING - not even a feedback message of orientation. - Just by the way: I had no chance to wear gloves or shoes because I never found any piece up to Lair:4 (a plain gloves). I've seen hundreds of games even in 0.12 now and know quite well that a pair of gloves is normally not a rare finding.
	Well, that's the quintessence: the random number generator (RNG) in 0.12 is producing level objects that hazardous that you can't reasonably advance with certain characters/gods like Ash. I'd really like to know if any RNG code fine tuning for 0.12 has caused those bottlenecks. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:44, 3 June 2013 (CEST)		Well, that's the quintessence: the random number generator (RNG) in 0.12 is producing level objects that hazardous that you can't reasonably advance with certain characters/gods like Ash. I'd really like to know if any RNG code fine tuning for 0.12 has caused those bottlenecks. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:44, 3 June 2013 (CEST)
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		+	== What armours are light/medium/heavy now? ==
		+	With EVP having been replaced with ER several versions ago, what armours count as what weight for Ash's skill boosts? [[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]])

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	:While I can't explain B), A) is easy to explain - you forgot boots. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:29, 2 June 2013 (CEST)		:While I can't explain B), A) is easy to explain - you forgot boots. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:29, 2 June 2013 (CEST)
	::You also missed gloves for A). As for the lack of curse scrolls, it's unusual to not find any for three games in a row, but I've had games where common items haven't shown up for quite a while. Curse scrolls also tend to be pretty rare in the early game, at least -- I've never paid attention to how common they are later on because I almost never worship Ashenzari, but I still run across them occasionally in the mid-to-late game. I think you can still put it down to bad luck -- if you keep not finding them over the course of your next twenty games, ''then'' I'd say it's a bug. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 21:26, 2 June 2013 (CEST)		::You also missed gloves for A). As for the lack of curse scrolls, it's unusual to not find any for three games in a row, but I've had games where common items haven't shown up for quite a while. Curse scrolls also tend to be pretty rare in the early game, at least -- I've never paid attention to how common they are later on because I almost never worship Ashenzari, but I still run across them occasionally in the mid-to-late game. I think you can still put it down to bad luck -- if you keep not finding them over the course of your next twenty games, ''then'' I'd say it's a bug. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 21:26, 2 June 2013 (CEST)
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		+	:::Okay hombres, in (A) cursed gloves and boots have missed indeed. I' ve even tested it now: one more cursed armour piece gives "partial bound" and two more gives "fully bound in armour" and the desireable stats boost in Dodging and Stealth. It's that easy. Nevertheless I'm not happy that cursing two armour components (which is not at all easy to get the scrolls for & reduces flexibility strongly) gives NOTHING - not even a feedback message of orientation. - Just by the way: I had no chance to wear gloves or shoes because I never found any piece up to Lair:4 (a plain gloves). I've seen hundreds of games even in 0.12 now and know quite well that a pair of gloves is normally not a rare finding.
		+	Well, that's the quintessence: the random number generator (RNG) in 0.12 is producing level objects that hazardous that you can't reasonably advance with certain characters/gods like Ash. I'd really like to know if any RNG code fine tuning for 0.12 has caused those bottlenecks. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:44, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

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	*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely, sometimes even all three.		*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely, sometimes even all three.
	:While I can't explain B), A) is easy to explain - you forgot boots. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:29, 2 June 2013 (CEST)		:While I can't explain B), A) is easy to explain - you forgot boots. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:29, 2 June 2013 (CEST)
		+	::You also missed gloves for A). As for the lack of curse scrolls, it's unusual to not find any for three games in a row, but I've had games where common items haven't shown up for quite a while. Curse scrolls also tend to be pretty rare in the early game, at least -- I've never paid attention to how common they are later on because I almost never worship Ashenzari, but I still run across them occasionally in the mid-to-late game. I think you can still put it down to bad luck -- if you keep not finding them over the course of your next twenty games, ''then'' I'd say it's a bug. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 21:26, 2 June 2013 (CEST)

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	*A) Draconians are constitutionally unable to wear body armour. But the Ash concept doesn't reflect that. My DrMo wears a cursed cap+2 and a cursed cloak of darkness+0 - all that he possibly can (shields are separate) - but the religios status display tells me: "You are not bound in armour." Clearly a bug! To be corrected ASAP, even before 0.13, because it seems not too complicated.		*A) Draconians are constitutionally unable to wear body armour. But the Ash concept doesn't reflect that. My DrMo wears a cursed cap+2 and a cursed cloak of darkness+0 - all that he possibly can (shields are separate) - but the religios status display tells me: "You are not bound in armour." Clearly a bug! To be corrected ASAP, even before 0.13, because it seems not too complicated.
	*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely, sometimes even all three.		*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely, sometimes even all three.
		+	:While I can't explain B), A) is easy to explain - you forgot boots. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:29, 2 June 2013 (CEST)

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 == buggy features of Ash 0.12 ==
 I've decided to explore Ash a bit. Two massive flaws I found up to now that the developers should correct.
-*A) Draconians are constitutionally unable to wear body armour. But the Ash concept doesn't reflect that. My DrMo wears a cursed cap+2 and a cursed cloak of darkness+0 - all that he possibly can (shields are separate) - but the religios status display tells me: "You are not bound in armour." Clearly a bug! To be corrected ASAP, even before 0.13, because it's not too complicated.
+*A) Draconians are constitutionally unable to wear body armour. But the Ash concept doesn't reflect that. My DrMo wears a cursed cap+2 and a cursed cloak of darkness+0 - all that he possibly can (shields are separate) - but the religios status display tells me: "You are not bound in armour." Clearly a bug! To be corrected ASAP, even before 0.13, because it seems not too complicated.
-*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely sometimes even all three.
+*B) The random number generator produces irritating results with reference to Ashenzari. To build up piety and get stats boosts you definitely need scrolls of curse (w,a,j). In several games I've observed that the game doesn't provide those scrolls in 0.12. Even the scrolls of uncurse which can be converted by praying have become much more rare than in former versions. You can nowadays easily achieve XL12 without finding the necessary scrolls to fulfil the Ash rules. Don't tell me that this could only happen extremely rare. Because it isn't that seldom. In three games now I've not found those scrolls in D:1-11 and Lair:1-3, sometimes one type of them missing completely, sometimes even all three.