Talk:Chaos - Revision history

Hordes at 03:44, 27 February 2024

2024-02-27T03:44:40Z

Pisaster: /* New chaos thoughts */ new section

2024-02-27T03:11:45Z

‎New chaos thoughts: new section

Barberik: /* Launcher of Chaos? */

2016-06-28T09:23:35Z

‎Launcher of Chaos?

Barberik: /* Launcher of Chaos? */ new section

2016-06-28T09:23:11Z

‎Launcher of Chaos?: new section

Spudwalt at 22:33, 27 June 2014

2014-06-27T22:33:20Z

Zeunysos: animate dead effect?

2014-06-27T19:26:33Z

animate dead effect?

MoogleDan: Even more horrible effects?

2013-03-22T12:52:37Z

Even more horrible effects?

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Per the Tavern message boards, chaos weapons can also generate a [[shaft]] beneath you or move the stairs you're standing on a space away. Can any code divers confirm that these are possible? Link [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=170&start=2050 here]. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] 13:52, 22 March 2013 (CET)

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	I've gotten a few wins with chaos weapons since the update ([http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240128-032616.txt qblade], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240226-224444.txt dwhip], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240207-131007.txt longbow]) and I think its very good on the right weapon, but I want to post here to see what other people's thoughts are before updating the strategy section since my experience with chaos is still pretty limited. I think it's one of the best brands for both quick blades and longbows, and a good brand for demon whips. My current feeling is that I would take it over anything but speed on a longbow (but wouldn't reroll to get it specifically), anything at all on a quick blade (unless I don't have any auxes or slay gear and want the more reliable damage from elec/distortion), and would be satisfied with it on a demon whip (unless I have a lot of strength to multiply the damage of flame/freeze/drain/heavy). Its notable on qblades because the fast attack speed means a good roll will often cancel out a bad roll, and being a short blade means a few of the good effects will give it significant bonus damage. For longbows (and other ranged weapons), you are likely to have a chance to flee if you get a bad roll at the start of a fight, and a few of the good rolls are more beneficial than they would be on a melee weapon because they can prevent enemies from reaching you. Does anyone else who's tried new chaos weapons have additional thoughts/disagreements, or is it okay for me to update the strategy section along these lines? [[User:Pisaster\|Pisaster]] ([[User talk:Pisaster\|talk]]) 04:11, 27 February 2024 (CET)		I've gotten a few wins with chaos weapons since the update ([http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240128-032616.txt qblade], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240226-224444.txt dwhip], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240207-131007.txt longbow]) and I think its very good on the right weapon, but I want to post here to see what other people's thoughts are before updating the strategy section since my experience with chaos is still pretty limited. I think it's one of the best brands for both quick blades and longbows, and a good brand for demon whips. My current feeling is that I would take it over anything but speed on a longbow (but wouldn't reroll to get it specifically), anything at all on a quick blade (unless I don't have any auxes or slay gear and want the more reliable damage from elec/distortion), and would be satisfied with it on a demon whip (unless I have a lot of strength to multiply the damage of flame/freeze/drain/heavy). Its notable on qblades because the fast attack speed means a good roll will often cancel out a bad roll, and being a short blade means a few of the good effects will give it significant bonus damage. For longbows (and other ranged weapons), you are likely to have a chance to flee if you get a bad roll at the start of a fight, and a few of the good rolls are more beneficial than they would be on a melee weapon because they can prevent enemies from reaching you. Does anyone else who's tried new chaos weapons have additional thoughts/disagreements, or is it okay for me to update the strategy section along these lines? [[User:Pisaster\|Pisaster]] ([[User talk:Pisaster\|talk]]) 04:11, 27 February 2024 (CET)
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		+	:When I write strategy sections, I usually focus on streak play / 100% WR play. While chaos is certainly better than it was, chaos can still: 1. haste a monster -> 2. it gets 2 hits per move -> 3. there's a chance of dying in 1 turn, or you're forced to burn resources to prevent dying in 1 turn. In the early game, it's especially bad b/c of berserk. It's less of a problem late game, but hasted OOFs/liches/etc. are still painful.
		+	:I think doing something like [[heavy]] could work - list the positives and highlight the negatives. For heavy, I ''despise'' having >1.0 attack delay; but if you don't care about streaking, I hear it's pretty good. (For reference, I think I used chaos once in 0.31 ever, and it was on a CK, and i swapped on D:2.) [[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 04:44, 27 February 2024 (CET)

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	I'm saying this because I just removed a chunk in the article that talked about chaos branded missiles (bolts/arrows), but missiles are not branded anymore.		I'm saying this because I just removed a chunk in the article that talked about chaos branded missiles (bolts/arrows), but missiles are not branded anymore.
	[[User:Barberik\|Barberik]] ([[User talk:Barberik\|talk]]) 11:23, 28 June 2016 (CEST)		[[User:Barberik\|Barberik]] ([[User talk:Barberik\|talk]]) 11:23, 28 June 2016 (CEST)
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		+	== New chaos thoughts ==
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		+	I've gotten a few wins with chaos weapons since the update ([http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240128-032616.txt qblade], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240226-224444.txt dwhip], [http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/pisaster/morgue-pisaster-20240207-131007.txt longbow]) and I think its very good on the right weapon, but I want to post here to see what other people's thoughts are before updating the strategy section since my experience with chaos is still pretty limited. I think it's one of the best brands for both quick blades and longbows, and a good brand for demon whips. My current feeling is that I would take it over anything but speed on a longbow (but wouldn't reroll to get it specifically), anything at all on a quick blade (unless I don't have any auxes or slay gear and want the more reliable damage from elec/distortion), and would be satisfied with it on a demon whip (unless I have a lot of strength to multiply the damage of flame/freeze/drain/heavy). Its notable on qblades because the fast attack speed means a good roll will often cancel out a bad roll, and being a short blade means a few of the good effects will give it significant bonus damage. For longbows (and other ranged weapons), you are likely to have a chance to flee if you get a bad roll at the start of a fight, and a few of the good rolls are more beneficial than they would be on a melee weapon because they can prevent enemies from reaching you. Does anyone else who's tried new chaos weapons have additional thoughts/disagreements, or is it okay for me to update the strategy section along these lines? [[User:Pisaster\|Pisaster]] ([[User talk:Pisaster\|talk]]) 04:11, 27 February 2024 (CET)

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	I'm saying this because I just removed a chunk in the article that talked about chaos branded missiles (bolts/arrows), but missiles are not branded anymore.		I'm saying this because I just removed a chunk in the article that talked about chaos branded missiles (bolts/arrows), but missiles are not branded anymore.
		+	[[User:Barberik\|Barberik]] ([[User talk:Barberik\|talk]]) 11:23, 28 June 2016 (CEST)

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	[[User:Zeunysos\|Zeunysos]] ([[User talk:Zeunysos\|talk]]) 21:26, 27 June 2014 (CEST)		[[User:Zeunysos\|Zeunysos]] ([[User talk:Zeunysos\|talk]]) 21:26, 27 June 2014 (CEST)
	:Looks like that was a [[reaping]] brand. I'll add it to the list. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:33, 28 June 2014 (CEST)		:Looks like that was a [[reaping]] brand. I'll add it to the list. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:33, 28 June 2014 (CEST)
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		+	== Launcher of Chaos? ==
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		+	I'm not sure if there are any naturally occurring chaos branded launchers. I think The Ten Rune Challenge sprint map has a yaktuar with a chaos branded arbalest. I have never seen a chaos branded launcher in a normal game. But chaos weapons in general are very rare. I also don't worship Xom much, so I don't have much experience.
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		+	I'm saying this because I just removed a chunk in the article that talked about chaos branded missiles (bolts/arrows), but missiles are not branded anymore.

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	I just killed a monster with a chaos weapon and it immediately revived as a friendly zombie (no special weapon effect message was displayed). Should I add this to the chaos effect list? Or is this just a possible effect of one of the brands already listed? (I have a screenshot saved if verification is requested.)		I just killed a monster with a chaos weapon and it immediately revived as a friendly zombie (no special weapon effect message was displayed). Should I add this to the chaos effect list? Or is this just a possible effect of one of the brands already listed? (I have a screenshot saved if verification is requested.)
	[[User:Zeunysos\|Zeunysos]] ([[User talk:Zeunysos\|talk]]) 21:26, 27 June 2014 (CEST)		[[User:Zeunysos\|Zeunysos]] ([[User talk:Zeunysos\|talk]]) 21:26, 27 June 2014 (CEST)
		+	:Looks like that was a [[reaping]] brand. I'll add it to the list. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:33, 28 June 2014 (CEST)

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	Per the Tavern message boards, chaos weapons can also generate a [[shaft]] beneath you or move the stairs you're standing on a space away. Can any code divers confirm that these are possible? Link [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=170&start=2050 here]. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 13:52, 22 March 2013 (CET)		Per the Tavern message boards, chaos weapons can also generate a [[shaft]] beneath you or move the stairs you're standing on a space away. Can any code divers confirm that these are possible? Link [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=170&start=2050 here]. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 13:52, 22 March 2013 (CET)
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		+	I just killed a monster with a chaos weapon and it immediately revived as a friendly zombie (no special weapon effect message was displayed). Should I add this to the chaos effect list? Or is this just a possible effect of one of the brands already listed? (I have a screenshot saved if verification is requested.)
		+	[[User:Zeunysos\|Zeunysos]] ([[User talk:Zeunysos\|talk]]) 21:26, 27 June 2014 (CEST)