Talk:Elemental Staff - Revision history

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‎Rare case of non-documented changes

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‎Rare case of non-documented changes

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MoogleDan at 13:40, 15 January 2015

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MoogleDan: Created page with "Hey Ensis, can you link me to where you found those numbers? Those numbers are just staggeringly low, and conflict with the LearnDB enough to make me suspicious. Per the Learn..."

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Created page with "Hey Ensis, can you link me to where you found those numbers? Those numbers are just staggeringly low, and conflict with the LearnDB enough to make me suspicious. Per the Learn..."

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Hey Ensis, can you link me to where you found those numbers? Those numbers are just staggeringly low, and conflict with the LearnDB enough to make me suspicious. Per the LearnDB, it makes two Evoc/27 checks, and if either passes, it deals the additional damage. That makes it 100% reliable at 27 Evocations, and even at 15 Evo it's over 75% likely, which is so conceptually different from 7% max that I've got to be suspicious here... --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:01, 15 January 2015 (CET)

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	: Commit [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46c7c7d4584af1d13f91a538fcd36d71f1129542 46c7c7d] (0.30) nerfed the elemental staff's resistances.		: Commit [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46c7c7d4584af1d13f91a538fcd36d71f1129542 46c7c7d] (0.30) nerfed the elemental staff's resistances.
−	: "- The Elemental Staff now provides weaker resistances." - [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt 0.30 Changelog (line 218). [[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:19, 6 May 2023 (CEST)	+
		+	: "The Elemental Staff now provides weaker resistances." - [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt 0.30 Changelog] (line 218). [[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:19, 6 May 2023 (CEST)

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	Well, I looked up several (26-30) version lists of changes and found no documentation that this unrand had been newly balanced. First posiibility: someone forgot to add it to such a list. Second possibility: did someone try to test how long false parameters remain undetected? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 11:16, 6 May 2023 (CEST)		Well, I looked up several (26-30) version lists of changes and found no documentation that this unrand had been newly balanced. First posiibility: someone forgot to add it to such a list. Second possibility: did someone try to test how long false parameters remain undetected? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 11:16, 6 May 2023 (CEST)
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		+	: Commit [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46c7c7d4584af1d13f91a538fcd36d71f1129542 46c7c7d] (0.30) nerfed the elemental staff's resistances.
		+	: "- The Elemental Staff now provides weaker resistances." - [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt 0.30 Changelog (line 218). [[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:19, 6 May 2023 (CEST)

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	:I've checked with [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14787 the folks in Tavern], and while they couldn't confirm that two Evoc/27 tests (what LearnDB says) is correct, they DID confirm that it triggers often enough to be good at killing things. I'm switching it back for now, but if you can show me the source code that disagrees, I'll look into this further. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 14:40, 15 January 2015 (CET)		:I've checked with [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14787 the folks in Tavern], and while they couldn't confirm that two Evoc/27 tests (what LearnDB says) is correct, they DID confirm that it triggers often enough to be good at killing things. I'm switching it back for now, but if you can show me the source code that disagrees, I'll look into this further. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 14:40, 15 January 2015 (CET)
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		+	Well, I looked up several (26-30) version lists of changes and found no documentation that this unrand had been newly balanced. First posiibility: someone forgot to add it to such a list. Second possibility: did someone try to test how long false parameters remain undetected? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] ([[User talk:Bwijn\|talk]]) 11:16, 6 May 2023 (CEST)

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	Hey Ensis, can you link me to where you found those numbers? Those numbers are just staggeringly low, and conflict with the LearnDB enough to make me suspicious. Per the LearnDB, it makes two Evoc/27 checks, and if either passes, it deals the additional damage. That makes it 100% reliable at 27 Evocations, and even at 15 Evo it's over 75% likely, which is so conceptually different from 7% max that I've got to be suspicious here... --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 14:01, 15 January 2015 (CET)		Hey Ensis, can you link me to where you found those numbers? Those numbers are just staggeringly low, and conflict with the LearnDB enough to make me suspicious. Per the LearnDB, it makes two Evoc/27 checks, and if either passes, it deals the additional damage. That makes it 100% reliable at 27 Evocations, and even at 15 Evo it's over 75% likely, which is so conceptually different from 7% max that I've got to be suspicious here... --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 14:01, 15 January 2015 (CET)
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		+	:I've checked with [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14787 the folks in Tavern], and while they couldn't confirm that two Evoc/27 tests (what LearnDB says) is correct, they DID confirm that it triggers often enough to be good at killing things. I'm switching it back for now, but if you can show me the source code that disagrees, I'll look into this further. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 14:40, 15 January 2015 (CET)