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		<title>NormalPerson7 at 09:42, 7 March 2024</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:42, 7 March 2024&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot; &gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Lifesaving chances ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Lifesaving chances ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I believe Elyvilon's lifesaving has not been implemented as intended, as the commit message and all references in-game suggest lifesaving is guaranteed at 5* when it isn't. I will open a Github issue about this; in the meantime, [https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yapdn4fcjp|this here is the Desmos graph] I used to compute the lifesaving chances, in case anyone wants to check it. It should be easy to update if the lifesaving chance does get adjusted, too. [[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7|talk]]) 22:55, 6 March 2024 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I believe Elyvilon's lifesaving has not been implemented as intended, as the commit message &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;and all references in-game&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; &lt;/ins&gt;suggest lifesaving is guaranteed at 5* when it isn't. I will open a Github issue about this; in the meantime, [https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yapdn4fcjp|this here is the Desmos graph] I used to compute the lifesaving chances, in case anyone wants to check it. It should be easy to update if the lifesaving chance does get adjusted, too. [[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7|talk]]) 22:55, 6 March 2024 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>NormalPerson7: /* Lifesaving chances */ new section</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Lifesaving chances: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formula is. The old version of Heal Other added +1 to the end, while Greater Heal Other added +8. For now, I am just splitting the difference between the extra HP added from lesser and greater heal other (+1 and +8) to +4. This is probably wrong, but I think an average of the two is a better estimate.&amp;#160; -[[User:Beep|Beep]] ([[User talk:Beep|talk]]) 01:03, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formula is. The old version of Heal Other added +1 to the end, while Greater Heal Other added +8. For now, I am just splitting the difference between the extra HP added from lesser and greater heal other (+1 and +8) to +4. This is probably wrong, but I think an average of the two is a better estimate.&amp;#160; -[[User:Beep|Beep]] ([[User talk:Beep|talk]]) 01:03, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: A bit of browsing in The Tavern brought up [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;amp;t=14872 this thread], which suggests that Heal Other is identical to the old Greater Heal Other. I'm gonna +8 this, unless someone code dives and discovers otherwise. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 05:26, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: A bit of browsing in The Tavern brought up [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;amp;t=14872 this thread], which suggests that Heal Other is identical to the old Greater Heal Other. I'm gonna +8 this, unless someone code dives and discovers otherwise. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 05:26, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Lifesaving chances ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I believe Elyvilon's lifesaving has not been implemented as intended, as the commit message and all references in-game suggest lifesaving is guaranteed at 5* when it isn't. I will open a Github issue about this; in the meantime, [https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yapdn4fcjp|this here is the Desmos graph] I used to compute the lifesaving chances, in case anyone wants to check it. It should be easy to update if the lifesaving chance does get adjusted, too. [[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7|talk]]) 22:55, 6 March 2024 (CET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>MoogleDan at 03:26, 27 April 2015</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==0.16's Heal Other versus older Lesser/Greater Heal Other==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==0.16's Heal Other versus older Lesser/Greater Heal Other==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formula is. The old version of Heal Other added +1 to the end, while Greater Heal Other added +8. For now, I am just splitting the difference between the extra HP added from lesser and greater heal other (+1 and +8) to +4. This is probably wrong, but I think an average of the two is a better estimate.&amp;#160; -[[User:Beep|Beep]] ([[User talk:Beep|talk]]) 01:03, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formula is. The old version of Heal Other added +1 to the end, while Greater Heal Other added +8. For now, I am just splitting the difference between the extra HP added from lesser and greater heal other (+1 and +8) to +4. This is probably wrong, but I think an average of the two is a better estimate.&amp;#160; -[[User:Beep|Beep]] ([[User talk:Beep|talk]]) 01:03, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: A bit of browsing in The Tavern brought up [https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;amp;t=14872 this thread], which suggests that Heal Other is identical to the old Greater Heal Other. I'm gonna +8 this, unless someone code dives and discovers otherwise. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 05:26, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Beep: Created page with &quot;==0.16's Heal Other versus older Lesser/Greater Heal Other== The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formul...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;==0.16&amp;#039;s Heal Other versus older Lesser/Greater Heal Other== The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don&amp;#039;t know how accurate the new heal other formul...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==0.16's Heal Other versus older Lesser/Greater Heal Other==&lt;br /&gt;
The abilities on this page should now be current for 0.16, but I don't know how accurate the new heal other formula is. The old version of Heal Other added +1 to the end, while Greater Heal Other added +8. For now, I am just splitting the difference between the extra HP added from lesser and greater heal other (+1 and +8) to +4. This is probably wrong, but I think an average of the two is a better estimate.  -[[User:Beep|Beep]] ([[User talk:Beep|talk]]) 01:03, 27 April 2015 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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