Talk:Good mutations - Revision history

Majang: history sections

2016-01-28T16:48:52Z

history sections

MoogleDan: /* Antennae is offensive?! */

2015-02-26T18:24:01Z

‎Antennae is offensive?!

Fambida at 18:13, 26 February 2015

2015-02-26T18:13:04Z

MoogleDan: /* Undead traits */

2015-02-12T16:01:33Z

‎Undead traits

Spudwalt: /* Undead traits */

2015-02-12T09:39:32Z

‎Undead traits

Spudwalt: /* Undead traits */ new section

2015-02-12T08:52:07Z

‎Undead traits: new section

MoogleDan at 06:31, 13 April 2013

2013-04-13T06:31:17Z

Spudwalt: /* Regarding mutation names */ new section

2013-04-13T05:01:52Z

‎Regarding mutation names: new section

Spudwalt at 19:23, 30 March 2013

2013-03-30T19:23:23Z

CommanderC at 18:52, 30 March 2013

2013-03-30T18:52:56Z

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	*Yeah, that one was just misplaced. Go right ahead and set it back to where it belongs! --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 19:24, 26 February 2015 (CET)		*Yeah, that one was just misplaced. Go right ahead and set it back to where it belongs! --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 19:24, 26 February 2015 (CET)
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		+	== history sections ==
		+	Some of the mutation templates have history sections, which have been given high level headings. If these show up in articles like this one or the demonspawn mutations article, they mess up the article structure, as shown in the outline to each article. How can this best be fixed? [[User:Majang\|Majang]] ([[User talk:Majang\|talk]]) 17:48, 28 January 2016 (CET)

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	If no one objects I'm going to move it to the perception category. I guess an argument could be made that it helps stabbers, but even with that argument, perception seems like a MORE correct category for it. --[[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]]) 19:13, 26 February 2015 (CET)		If no one objects I'm going to move it to the perception category. I guess an argument could be made that it helps stabbers, but even with that argument, perception seems like a MORE correct category for it. --[[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]]) 19:13, 26 February 2015 (CET)
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		+	*Yeah, that one was just misplaced. Go right ahead and set it back to where it belongs! --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 19:24, 26 February 2015 (CET)

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	:Also, should we include the species-exclusive cold-blooded mutation on the bad mutations page, or is what we have on cold-bloodedness enough? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 10:39, 12 February 2015 (CET)		:Also, should we include the species-exclusive cold-blooded mutation on the bad mutations page, or is what we have on cold-bloodedness enough? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 10:39, 12 February 2015 (CET)
	::I can see why it'd be kind of odd to include here. We don't mention minotaur headbutt counters, for instance, and mummies have Slow Metabolism 3, which simply doesn't exist. I think I want to avoid inventing mutations that aren't in the code, and would prefer to leave those details in the realm of weird exceptions to the rule. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 17:01, 12 February 2015 (CET)		::I can see why it'd be kind of odd to include here. We don't mention minotaur headbutt counters, for instance, and mummies have Slow Metabolism 3, which simply doesn't exist. I think I want to avoid inventing mutations that aren't in the code, and would prefer to leave those details in the realm of weird exceptions to the rule. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 17:01, 12 February 2015 (CET)
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		+	== Antennae is offensive?! ==
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		+	If no one objects I'm going to move it to the perception category. I guess an argument could be made that it helps stabbers, but even with that argument, perception seems like a MORE correct category for it. --[[User:Fambida\|Fambida]] ([[User talk:Fambida\|talk]]) 19:13, 26 February 2015 (CET)

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	Should we include undead traits like cold resistance and poison immunity in the mutation tables, or should that just stay in places like the undead article and the species pages? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 09:52, 12 February 2015 (CET)		Should we include undead traits like cold resistance and poison immunity in the mutation tables, or should that just stay in places like the undead article and the species pages? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 09:52, 12 February 2015 (CET)
	:Also, should we include the species-exclusive cold-blooded mutation on the bad mutations page, or is what we have on cold-bloodedness enough? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 10:39, 12 February 2015 (CET)		:Also, should we include the species-exclusive cold-blooded mutation on the bad mutations page, or is what we have on cold-bloodedness enough? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 10:39, 12 February 2015 (CET)
		+	::I can see why it'd be kind of odd to include here. We don't mention minotaur headbutt counters, for instance, and mummies have Slow Metabolism 3, which simply doesn't exist. I think I want to avoid inventing mutations that aren't in the code, and would prefer to leave those details in the realm of weird exceptions to the rule. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 17:01, 12 February 2015 (CET)

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	Should we include undead traits like cold resistance and poison immunity in the mutation tables, or should that just stay in places like the undead article and the species pages? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 09:52, 12 February 2015 (CET)		Should we include undead traits like cold resistance and poison immunity in the mutation tables, or should that just stay in places like the undead article and the species pages? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 09:52, 12 February 2015 (CET)
		+	:Also, should we include the species-exclusive cold-blooded mutation on the bad mutations page, or is what we have on cold-bloodedness enough? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 10:39, 12 February 2015 (CET)

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	Does anyone else think we should change the names of the various mutations to what they are in the code? An example would be the mutation that adds to your max MP: it's called "Energetic" on the wiki, but the game's code refers to it as "High magic". [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 07:01, 13 April 2013 (CEST)		Does anyone else think we should change the names of the various mutations to what they are in the code? An example would be the mutation that adds to your max MP: it's called "Energetic" on the wiki, but the game's code refers to it as "High magic". [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 07:01, 13 April 2013 (CEST)
	:Go right ahead! The naming from before was pretty arbitrary; feel free to adjust them. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 08:31, 13 April 2013 (CEST)		:Go right ahead! The naming from before was pretty arbitrary; feel free to adjust them. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 08:31, 13 April 2013 (CEST)
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		+	== Undead traits ==
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		+	Should we include undead traits like cold resistance and poison immunity in the mutation tables, or should that just stay in places like the undead article and the species pages? [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 09:52, 12 February 2015 (CET)

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	Does anyone else think we should change the names of the various mutations to what they are in the code? An example would be the mutation that adds to your max MP: it's called "Energetic" on the wiki, but the game's code refers to it as "High magic". [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 07:01, 13 April 2013 (CEST)		Does anyone else think we should change the names of the various mutations to what they are in the code? An example would be the mutation that adds to your max MP: it's called "Energetic" on the wiki, but the game's code refers to it as "High magic". [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 07:01, 13 April 2013 (CEST)
		+	:Go right ahead! The naming from before was pretty arbitrary; feel free to adjust them. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 08:31, 13 April 2013 (CEST)

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	::::This logic is implemented by the function physiology_mutation_conflict (which can be found [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;h=4297ad367b7baea6ee7bd02faf963a459c33cb6b;hb=HEAD#l1075 here]). The comments explain quite well what's going on. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 19:52, 30 March 2013 (CET)		::::This logic is implemented by the function physiology_mutation_conflict (which can be found [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;h=4297ad367b7baea6ee7bd02faf963a459c33cb6b;hb=HEAD#l1075 here]). The comments explain quite well what's going on. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 19:52, 30 March 2013 (CET)
	:::::Ah, there we go. That at least clears up cases where there's a mutation conflict. Thanks! [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 20:23, 30 March 2013 (CET)		:::::Ah, there we go. That at least clears up cases where there's a mutation conflict. Thanks! [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 20:23, 30 March 2013 (CET)
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		+	== Regarding mutation names ==
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		+	Does anyone else think we should change the names of the various mutations to what they are in the code? An example would be the mutation that adds to your max MP: it's called "Energetic" on the wiki, but the game's code refers to it as "High magic". [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 07:01, 13 April 2013 (CEST)

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	::::This logic is implemented by the function physiology_mutation_conflict (which can be found [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;h=4297ad367b7baea6ee7bd02faf963a459c33cb6b;hb=HEAD#l1075 here]). The comments explain quite well what's going on. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 19:52, 30 March 2013 (CET)		::::This logic is implemented by the function physiology_mutation_conflict (which can be found [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;h=4297ad367b7baea6ee7bd02faf963a459c33cb6b;hb=HEAD#l1075 here]). The comments explain quite well what's going on. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 19:52, 30 March 2013 (CET)
		+	:::::Ah, there we go. That at least clears up cases where there's a mutation conflict. Thanks! [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 20:23, 30 March 2013 (CET)

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	::Alternatively, we COULD dump both of the two little ones we have there into the primary [[good mutations]] page, along with a note stating that they are exclusives. Same for the tentacle spikes. Frankly I think we just need someone to code dive, find the full list of things that can happen through drinking a [[potion of mutation]], separate them out into what the GAME defines as good mutations and bad mutations, and rebuild the page from that. Wizard mode is good for a lot of things, but you'll be at it for a looooong time proving that something is actually impossible to occur :P Statistics are a bitch. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 14:28, 30 March 2013 (CET)		::Alternatively, we COULD dump both of the two little ones we have there into the primary [[good mutations]] page, along with a note stating that they are exclusives. Same for the tentacle spikes. Frankly I think we just need someone to code dive, find the full list of things that can happen through drinking a [[potion of mutation]], separate them out into what the GAME defines as good mutations and bad mutations, and rebuild the page from that. Wizard mode is good for a lot of things, but you'll be at it for a looooong time proving that something is actually impossible to occur :P Statistics are a bitch. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 14:28, 30 March 2013 (CET)
	:::Okay, I think I'm going to just put the species-exclusive mutations (i.e. draconian/octopode/etc.) in their own section on the good mutations page. And yeah, code-diving would probably be the best way to do this, but I wouldn't even know where to start, so I'll just make do with Wizard Mode for now. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:32, 30 March 2013 (CET)		:::Okay, I think I'm going to just put the species-exclusive mutations (i.e. draconian/octopode/etc.) in their own section on the good mutations page. And yeah, code-diving would probably be the best way to do this, but I wouldn't even know where to start, so I'll just make do with Wizard Mode for now. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:32, 30 March 2013 (CET)
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		+	::::This logic is implemented by the function physiology_mutation_conflict (which can be found [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;h=4297ad367b7baea6ee7bd02faf963a459c33cb6b;hb=HEAD#l1075 here]). The comments explain quite well what's going on. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 19:52, 30 March 2013 (CET)