Talk:Poison Arrow - Revision history

MoogleDan at 11:52, 22 August 2013

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Ion frigate at 22:36, 21 August 2013

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Ion frigate at 22:19, 21 August 2013

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MoogleDan at 20:30, 21 August 2013

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Ion frigate at 20:16, 21 August 2013

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Ion frigate: Created page with "==Poisoning demons== It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. ..."

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Created page with "==Poisoning demons== It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. ..."

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==Poisoning demons==

It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. Since demons are all rPois, Poison Arrow really not very effective in general against them, so it's something that rarely comes up. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate|talk]]) 22:16, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

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	::It's actually really weird. BEAM_POISON_ARROW [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;h=be208a44feafa5b1f13455f91ea8a6563d4f62a1;hb=6459ca070173839a7b7190dba9c60623fdad1d47#l1603 checks monster::has_lifeforce()] in order to inflict the poison status on poison-resistant enemies, but NOT for non-poison resistant enemies. The function has_lifeforce() [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l4902 checks for plant or natural holiness]. So the upshot is that poison-resistant demons take damage appropriate for their resistance, but are not inflicted with poison. Non-poison-resistant ones both take full poison damage and are inflicted with poison (this would even be true of a non-poison resistant non-living monster). So that would be why I remember poison arrow poisoning demons, but it doesn't usually. Honestly this sounds like a bug - it should either check the holiness for both or neither case. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:19, 22 August 2013 (CEST)		::It's actually really weird. BEAM_POISON_ARROW [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;h=be208a44feafa5b1f13455f91ea8a6563d4f62a1;hb=6459ca070173839a7b7190dba9c60623fdad1d47#l1603 checks monster::has_lifeforce()] in order to inflict the poison status on poison-resistant enemies, but NOT for non-poison resistant enemies. The function has_lifeforce() [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l4902 checks for plant or natural holiness]. So the upshot is that poison-resistant demons take damage appropriate for their resistance, but are not inflicted with poison. Non-poison-resistant ones both take full poison damage and are inflicted with poison (this would even be true of a non-poison resistant non-living monster). So that would be why I remember poison arrow poisoning demons, but it doesn't usually. Honestly this sounds like a bug - it should either check the holiness for both or neither case. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:19, 22 August 2013 (CEST)
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		+	:::Oh those wacky devs. Thanks Ion! --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 13:52, 22 August 2013 (CEST)

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	:It's a spell I've never used, but the bits and pieces I've read about it in various places seems to state that it's best against natural holiness opponents, okay against demonic, and bad against undead. There actually are some demons that can be poisoned (mostly 5s and then Antaeus), so it seems like they'd have poison resistance, not poison immunity. shrug Perhaps I'll just run a venom mage someday and find out firsthand. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)		:It's a spell I've never used, but the bits and pieces I've read about it in various places seems to state that it's best against natural holiness opponents, okay against demonic, and bad against undead. There actually are some demons that can be poisoned (mostly 5s and then Antaeus), so it seems like they'd have poison resistance, not poison immunity. shrug Perhaps I'll just run a venom mage someday and find out firsthand. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

−	::It's actually really weird. BEAM_POISON_ARROW [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;h=be208a44feafa5b1f13455f91ea8a6563d4f62a1;hb=6459ca070173839a7b7190dba9c60623fdad1d47#l1603 checks monster::has_lifeforce()] in order to inflict the poison ~~damage~~ on poison-resistant enemies, but NOT for non-poison resistant enemies. The function has_lifeforce() [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l4902 checks for plant or natural holiness]. So the upshot is that poison-resistant demons take damage appropriate for their resistance, but are not inflicted with poison. Non-poison-resistant ones both take full poison damage and are inflicted with poison (this would even be true of a non-poison resistant non-living monster). So that would be why I remember poison arrow poisoning demons, but it doesn't usually. Honestly this sounds like a bug - it should either check the holiness for both or neither case. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:19, 22 August 2013 (CEST)	+	::It's actually really weird. BEAM_POISON_ARROW [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;h=be208a44feafa5b1f13455f91ea8a6563d4f62a1;hb=6459ca070173839a7b7190dba9c60623fdad1d47#l1603 checks monster::has_lifeforce()] in order to inflict the poison status on poison-resistant enemies, but NOT for non-poison resistant enemies. The function has_lifeforce() [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l4902 checks for plant or natural holiness]. So the upshot is that poison-resistant demons take damage appropriate for their resistance, but are not inflicted with poison. Non-poison-resistant ones both take full poison damage and are inflicted with poison (this would even be true of a non-poison resistant non-living monster). So that would be why I remember poison arrow poisoning demons, but it doesn't usually. Honestly this sounds like a bug - it should either check the holiness for both or neither case. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:19, 22 August 2013 (CEST)

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	:It's a spell I've never used, but the bits and pieces I've read about it in various places seems to state that it's best against natural holiness opponents, okay against demonic, and bad against undead. There actually are some demons that can be poisoned (mostly 5s and then Antaeus), so it seems like they'd have poison resistance, not poison immunity. shrug Perhaps I'll just run a venom mage someday and find out firsthand. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)		:It's a spell I've never used, but the bits and pieces I've read about it in various places seems to state that it's best against natural holiness opponents, okay against demonic, and bad against undead. There actually are some demons that can be poisoned (mostly 5s and then Antaeus), so it seems like they'd have poison resistance, not poison immunity. shrug Perhaps I'll just run a venom mage someday and find out firsthand. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
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		+	::It's actually really weird. BEAM_POISON_ARROW [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;h=be208a44feafa5b1f13455f91ea8a6563d4f62a1;hb=6459ca070173839a7b7190dba9c60623fdad1d47#l1603 checks monster::has_lifeforce()] in order to inflict the poison damage on poison-resistant enemies, but NOT for non-poison resistant enemies. The function has_lifeforce() [http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l4902 checks for plant or natural holiness]. So the upshot is that poison-resistant demons take damage appropriate for their resistance, but are not inflicted with poison. Non-poison-resistant ones both take full poison damage and are inflicted with poison (this would even be true of a non-poison resistant non-living monster). So that would be why I remember poison arrow poisoning demons, but it doesn't usually. Honestly this sounds like a bug - it should either check the holiness for both or neither case. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:19, 22 August 2013 (CEST)

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	It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. Since demons are all rPois, Poison Arrow is really not very effective in general against them, so it's something that rarely comes up. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 22:16, 21 August 2013 (CEST)		It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. Since demons are all rPois, Poison Arrow is really not very effective in general against them, so it's something that rarely comes up. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 22:16, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
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		+	:It's a spell I've never used, but the bits and pieces I've read about it in various places seems to state that it's best against natural holiness opponents, okay against demonic, and bad against undead. There actually are some demons that can be poisoned (mostly 5s and then Antaeus), so it seems like they'd have poison resistance, not poison immunity. shrug Perhaps I'll just run a venom mage someday and find out firsthand. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan\|talk]]) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

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−	It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. Since demons are all rPois, Poison Arrow really not very effective in general against them, so it's something that rarely comes up. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 22:16, 21 August 2013 (CEST)	+	It almost certainly did as of 0.9. Not adding, as it either might have changed or my memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I remember it working. Since demons are all rPois, Poison Arrow is really not very effective in general against them, so it's something that rarely comes up. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 22:16, 21 August 2013 (CEST)