Talk:Potion of experience - Revision history

Bwijn: /* Rare but happy go lucky */ 0.12 of course

2013-06-02T09:57:39Z

‎Rare but happy go lucky: 0.12 of course

Bwijn: Rare but...

2013-06-02T09:56:43Z

Rare but...

Bwijn: /* "Reward in Deeper Vaults"? */ fixed

2013-02-24T20:49:08Z

‎"Reward in Deeper Vaults"?: fixed

Bwijn: /* "Reward in Deeper Vaults"? */ at least in 10.3 a fair chance to get them

2013-02-24T20:46:18Z

‎"Reward in Deeper Vaults"?: at least in 10.3 a fair chance to get them

Spudwalt: /* "Reward in Deeper Vaults"? */

2013-02-24T18:13:42Z

‎"Reward in Deeper Vaults"?

Bwijn: /* "Reward in Deeper Vaults"? */ on the run

2013-02-23T12:38:02Z

‎"Reward in Deeper Vaults"?: on the run

Ion frigate at 21:17, 22 February 2013

2013-02-22T21:17:07Z

Flun: /* "Reward in Deeper Vaults"? */

2013-02-22T20:55:59Z

‎"Reward in Deeper Vaults"?

MoogleDan at 19:18, 22 February 2013

2013-02-22T19:18:05Z

Ion frigate at 03:01, 22 February 2013

2013-02-22T03:01:31Z

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	== Rare but happy go lucky ==		== Rare but happy go lucky ==
−	I've once again found a Potion of experience in D:5 lying on the floor. And a potion of gain dexterity in the same game D:4. Thus it may be extremely rare but absolutely possible.	+	I've once again found a Potion of experience in D:5 lying on the floor of [[0.12]]. And a [[potion of gain dexterity]] in the same game D:4. Thus it may be extremely rare but absolutely possible.

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	::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)		::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)
	:::::Of course it is seldom happening. But always possible. With some good luck I once or twice even found 1 of these potions as treasure in a Sewer or Spider's Nest (old version 0.10). Just today I found one in Vault:2 lying around. Alas, [[0.11]] seems to have shortened the odds. I mostly found "bad" stuff at the end of branches or in mini-vaults nowadays. Consequently I have returned to version 0.10.3 most of the times. Even the older graphics is better IMO. - Well, [[manual]]s appear a dead end to me. They are extremely rare, so I not even frequently had one. Just as you don't want to carry them around those items have nearly no use at all. Kick them out, as for me. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 21:46, 24 February 2013 (CET)		:::::Of course it is seldom happening. But always possible. With some good luck I once or twice even found 1 of these potions as treasure in a Sewer or Spider's Nest (old version 0.10). Just today I found one in Vault:2 lying around. Alas, [[0.11]] seems to have shortened the odds. I mostly found "bad" stuff at the end of branches or in mini-vaults nowadays. Consequently I have returned to version 0.10.3 most of the times. Even the older graphics is better IMO. - Well, [[manual]]s appear a dead end to me. They are extremely rare, so I not even frequently had one. Just as you don't want to carry them around those items have nearly no use at all. Kick them out, as for me. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 21:46, 24 February 2013 (CET)
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		+	== Rare but happy go lucky ==
		+	I've once again found a Potion of experience in D:5 lying on the floor. And a potion of gain dexterity in the same game D:4. Thus it may be extremely rare but absolutely possible.

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 ::::I know the Wucad Mu's Monastery WizLab tends to have these (and/or potions of gain stats). I've even occasionally found them as early as D:3-4-ish, though this has only happened like three times out of my Ashenzari-knows-how-many runs.
 ::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)
-:::::Of course it is seldom happening. But always possible. With some good luck I once or twice even found 1 of these potions as treasure in a Sewer or Spider's Nest (old version 0.10). Just today I found one in Vault:2 lying around. Alas, [[0.11]] seems to have shortened the odds. I mostly found "bad" stuff at the end of branches or in mini-vaults nowadays. Consequently I have returned to version 0.10.3 most of the times. Even the older graphics is better IMO. - Well, manuals seem a dead end to me. They are extremely rare, so I not frequently had one. Just as you don't want to carry them around those item have nearly no use. Kick them out, as for me. -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 21:46, 24 February 2013 (CET)
+:::::Of course it is seldom happening. But always possible. With some good luck I once or twice even found 1 of these potions as treasure in a Sewer or Spider's Nest (old version 0.10). Just today I found one in Vault:2 lying around. Alas, [[0.11]] seems to have shortened the odds. I mostly found "bad" stuff at the end of branches or in mini-vaults nowadays. Consequently I have returned to version 0.10.3 most of the times. Even the older graphics is better IMO. - Well, [[manual]]s appear a dead end to me. They are extremely rare, so I not even frequently had one. Just as you don't want to carry them around those items have nearly no use at all. Kick them out, as for me. -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 21:46, 24 February 2013 (CET)

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	::::I know the Wucad Mu's Monastery WizLab tends to have these (and/or potions of gain stats). I've even occasionally found them as early as D:3-4-ish, though this has only happened like three times out of my Ashenzari-knows-how-many runs.		::::I know the Wucad Mu's Monastery WizLab tends to have these (and/or potions of gain stats). I've even occasionally found them as early as D:3-4-ish, though this has only happened like three times out of my Ashenzari-knows-how-many runs.
	::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)		::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)
		+	:::::Of course it is seldom happening. But always possible. With some good luck I once or twice even found 1 of these potions as treasure in a Sewer or Spider's Nest (old version 0.10). Just today I found one in Vault:2 lying around. Alas, [[0.11]] seems to have shortened the odds. I mostly found "bad" stuff at the end of branches or in mini-vaults nowadays. Consequently I have returned to version 0.10.3 most of the times. Even the older graphics is better IMO. - Well, manuals seem a dead end to me. They are extremely rare, so I not frequently had one. Just as you don't want to carry them around those item have nearly no use. Kick them out, as for me. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 21:46, 24 February 2013 (CET)

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	:: I'm seeing it as a reward for the "River Lethe" vault, a whole-level or mostly so vault that appears very late, but that's it. Potions of experience can also occasionally appear in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. Also, I'm guessing that superb_item or maybe even good_item can sometimes generate potions of experience. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:17, 22 February 2013 (CET)		:: I'm seeing it as a reward for the "River Lethe" vault, a whole-level or mostly so vault that appears very late, but that's it. Potions of experience can also occasionally appear in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. Also, I'm guessing that superb_item or maybe even good_item can sometimes generate potions of experience. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:17, 22 February 2013 (CET)
	:::Random generating as superb_item or maybe even good_item just like Ion said. Once I even found one lying in the Dungeon. I've seen several exp. potions mostly in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. - But how will you - as Dan adviced - open a manual just in time when you are surprised to quaff it? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:38, 23 February 2013 (CET)		:::Random generating as superb_item or maybe even good_item just like Ion said. Once I even found one lying in the Dungeon. I've seen several exp. potions mostly in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. - But how will you - as Dan adviced - open a manual just in time when you are surprised to quaff it? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:38, 23 February 2013 (CET)
		+	::::I know the Wucad Mu's Monastery WizLab tends to have these (and/or potions of gain stats). I've even occasionally found them as early as D:3-4-ish, though this has only happened like three times out of my Ashenzari-knows-how-many runs.
		+	::::I'm guessing the manual suggestion was more for if you happen to find a second one. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] 19:13, 24 February 2013 (CET)

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	: I've seen them as a reward among a bunch of nice potions at the end of a bailey. Not a vault though.. --[[User:Flun\|Flun]] 21:55, 22 February 2013 (CET)		: I've seen them as a reward among a bunch of nice potions at the end of a bailey. Not a vault though.. --[[User:Flun\|Flun]] 21:55, 22 February 2013 (CET)
	:: I'm seeing it as a reward for the "River Lethe" vault, a whole-level or mostly so vault that appears very late, but that's it. Potions of experience can also occasionally appear in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. Also, I'm guessing that superb_item or maybe even good_item can sometimes generate potions of experience. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:17, 22 February 2013 (CET)		:: I'm seeing it as a reward for the "River Lethe" vault, a whole-level or mostly so vault that appears very late, but that's it. Potions of experience can also occasionally appear in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. Also, I'm guessing that superb_item or maybe even good_item can sometimes generate potions of experience. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:17, 22 February 2013 (CET)
		+	:::Random generating as superb_item or maybe even good_item just like Ion said. Once I even found one lying in the Dungeon. I've seen several exp. potions mostly in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. - But how will you - as Dan adviced - open a manual just in time when you are surprised to quaff it? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 13:38, 23 February 2013 (CET)

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	I don't think I've ever come across a vault that had a potion of experience at the end... Are there some I just haven't come across yet? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 20:18, 22 February 2013 (CET)		I don't think I've ever come across a vault that had a potion of experience at the end... Are there some I just haven't come across yet? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 20:18, 22 February 2013 (CET)
	: I've seen them as a reward among a bunch of nice potions at the end of a bailey. Not a vault though.. --[[User:Flun\|Flun]] 21:55, 22 February 2013 (CET)		: I've seen them as a reward among a bunch of nice potions at the end of a bailey. Not a vault though.. --[[User:Flun\|Flun]] 21:55, 22 February 2013 (CET)
		+	:: I'm seeing it as a reward for the "River Lethe" vault, a whole-level or mostly so vault that appears very late, but that's it. Potions of experience can also occasionally appear in some baileys, ice caves, volcanoes, and wiz labs. Also, I'm guessing that superb_item or maybe even good_item can sometimes generate potions of experience. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:17, 22 February 2013 (CET)

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	=="Reward in Deeper Vaults"?==		=="Reward in Deeper Vaults"?==
	I don't think I've ever come across a vault that had a potion of experience at the end... Are there some I just haven't come across yet? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 20:18, 22 February 2013 (CET)		I don't think I've ever come across a vault that had a potion of experience at the end... Are there some I just haven't come across yet? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 20:18, 22 February 2013 (CET)
		+	: I've seen them as a reward among a bunch of nice potions at the end of a bailey. Not a vault though.. --[[User:Flun\|Flun]] 21:55, 22 February 2013 (CET)

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	:::Skill points are not on a per-skill basis, but are based on total skill points acquired. So while you will always get more levels by choosing skills that are lower, you won't get any more skill points out of it. All that being said, the argument about skill points is strategically moot: quaffing a potion of XP at low experience might immediately give you more skill points, but it's balanced out by the fact that this influx of skill points makes them immediately more expensive. So in that sense, it's always best to wait, since you get slightly more XP (and thus move slightly farther along the skill point curve).		:::Skill points are not on a per-skill basis, but are based on total skill points acquired. So while you will always get more levels by choosing skills that are lower, you won't get any more skill points out of it. All that being said, the argument about skill points is strategically moot: quaffing a potion of XP at low experience might immediately give you more skill points, but it's balanced out by the fact that this influx of skill points makes them immediately more expensive. So in that sense, it's always best to wait, since you get slightly more XP (and thus move slightly farther along the skill point curve).
	:::On the other hand, the "immediate survival" argument really is quite valid: it's definitely worth losing 10% of the potential XP from a potion to get that extra level NOW. It's just that early on, when levels come cheap, I think it might be worth waiting until XL7 or XL8: the point at which adding another level doesn't add a whole lot more extra XP. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:01, 22 February 2013 (CET)		:::On the other hand, the "immediate survival" argument really is quite valid: it's definitely worth losing 10% of the potential XP from a potion to get that extra level NOW. It's just that early on, when levels come cheap, I think it might be worth waiting until XL7 or XL8: the point at which adding another level doesn't add a whole lot more extra XP. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:01, 22 February 2013 (CET)
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		+	=="Reward in Deeper Vaults"?==
		+	I don't think I've ever come across a vault that had a potion of experience at the end... Are there some I just haven't come across yet? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 20:18, 22 February 2013 (CET)

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	::You could also argue that humans would get more benefit from waiting since they gain experience levels faster than the other races, while demigods should hold on to it 'til the extended end game. It's a somewhat complicated mess to explain, but I think my rewrite argues more in favor of immediate quaffing than of being patient. I don't think there's any strict rule to it, but I dislike risk, so that's my preference. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 02:39, 22 February 2013 (CET)		::You could also argue that humans would get more benefit from waiting since they gain experience levels faster than the other races, while demigods should hold on to it 'til the extended end game. It's a somewhat complicated mess to explain, but I think my rewrite argues more in favor of immediate quaffing than of being patient. I don't think there's any strict rule to it, but I dislike risk, so that's my preference. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 02:39, 22 February 2013 (CET)
		+	:::Skill points are not on a per-skill basis, but are based on total skill points acquired. So while you will always get more levels by choosing skills that are lower, you won't get any more skill points out of it. All that being said, the argument about skill points is strategically moot: quaffing a potion of XP at low experience might immediately give you more skill points, but it's balanced out by the fact that this influx of skill points makes them immediately more expensive. So in that sense, it's always best to wait, since you get slightly more XP (and thus move slightly farther along the skill point curve).
		+	:::On the other hand, the "immediate survival" argument really is quite valid: it's definitely worth losing 10% of the potential XP from a potion to get that extra level NOW. It's just that early on, when levels come cheap, I think it might be worth waiting until XL7 or XL8: the point at which adding another level doesn't add a whole lot more extra XP. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:01, 22 February 2013 (CET)