Talk:Spell popularity - Revision history

Hordes at 12:00, 19 April 2022

2022-04-19T12:00:55Z

Hordes at 12:00, 19 April 2022

2022-04-19T12:00:26Z

Hordes at 11:44, 19 April 2022

2022-04-19T11:44:06Z

Wwf: Added notes and suggestions about what to do with the new data.

2022-04-18T22:01:57Z

Added notes and suggestions about what to do with the new data.

Spudwalt at 23:01, 2 February 2018

2018-02-02T23:01:46Z

NormalPerson7: Explain the potential options with this article, and my reason for marking this article for deletion.

2018-02-02T21:17:23Z

Explain the potential options with this article, and my reason for marking this article for deletion.

NormalPerson7: Propose deletion of this article.

2018-01-29T16:30:58Z

Propose deletion of this article.

New page

This page is now out of date by 10 versions, provides evidence which is ghastly out of date since many, many more games have now been played online, and it would be difficult to extract such relevant statistics from the current player base. This page also references a topic, how often spells are used in practice, which in principle is unnecessary to reference on this wiki. Additionally, this page is linked to by exactly one main article ([[Spell]]), which means it is very rarely viewed and deleting it would have no significant consequences on the wiki as a whole.

Hence, I am posting this comment on the talk page to see if anyone has any ideas as to how this page can be fixed, and otherwise I will flag this article for deletion some time in the near future.

--[[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7|talk]]) 17:30, 29 January 2018 (CET)

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	I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)		I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

−	:I think that having 0.26 tournament stats somewhere would be helpful (namely because its pre-Dj). Probably better to have it in a pastebin like the other versions. Nothing's stopping you from doing other versions, but the next most important ones would probably be 0.24 (pre Positional Magic) --[[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ~~and 0.20 (post Haste).~~ ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (CEST)	+	:I think that having 0.26 tournament stats somewhere would be helpful (namely because its pre-Dj). Probably better to have it in a pastebin like the other versions. Nothing's stopping you from doing other versions, but the next most important ones would probably be 0.24 (pre Positional Magic) and 0.20 (post player Haste). --[[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

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	I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)		I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

−	:I think that having 0.26 tournament stats somewhere would be helpful (namely because its pre-Dj). Probably better to have it in a pastebin like the other versions. --[[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (CEST)	+	:I think that having 0.26 tournament stats somewhere would be helpful (namely because its pre-Dj). Probably better to have it in a pastebin like the other versions. Nothing's stopping you from doing other versions, but the next most important ones would probably be 0.24 (pre Positional Magic) --[[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] and 0.20 (post Haste). ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

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	I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)		I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)
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		+	:I think that having 0.26 tournament stats somewhere would be helpful (namely because its pre-Dj). Probably better to have it in a pastebin like the other versions. --[[User:Hordes\|Hordes]] ([[User talk:Hordes\|talk]]) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

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	::I'd be okay with deleting this page, though if somebody else wanted to take the time to find more up-to-date stats, I'm hardly going to stop them. I do admit I don't see much of a reason to keep this page around, though. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:01, 3 February 2018 (CET)		::I'd be okay with deleting this page, though if somebody else wanted to take the time to find more up-to-date stats, I'm hardly going to stop them. I do admit I don't see much of a reason to keep this page around, though. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:01, 3 February 2018 (CET)
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		+	I have updated the page with statistics from the winning games from the 0.28 tournament. I think this page is much more useful now because the information is up to date and the table can be sorted so users can reach their own conclusions. Please feel free to add your own comments to this page. A page with just raw statistics is not as useful without some expert opinions. I will be updating the table with links to the spell pages. Links back to this page may be a good way to back up opinions about whether one spell is more popular than another. Feel free to contact me if there is other information you would like to see that can be obtained from the morgue files. Almost all actions (abilities, weapon usage, etc.) from the last table in the morgue files can be parsed and presented as a table like the one I created. --[[User:Wwf\|Wwf]] ([[User talk:Wwf\|talk]]) 00:01, 19 April 2022 (CEST)

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	:--[[User:NormalPerson7\|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7\|talk]]) 22:17, 2 February 2018 (CET)		:--[[User:NormalPerson7\|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7\|talk]]) 22:17, 2 February 2018 (CET)
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		+	::I'd be okay with deleting this page, though if somebody else wanted to take the time to find more up-to-date stats, I'm hardly going to stop them. I do admit I don't see much of a reason to keep this page around, though. [[User:Spudwalt\|--spudwalt]] ([[User talk:Spudwalt\|talk]]) 00:01, 3 February 2018 (CET)

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	--[[User:NormalPerson7\|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7\|talk]]) 17:30, 29 January 2018 (CET)		--[[User:NormalPerson7\|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7\|talk]]) 17:30, 29 January 2018 (CET)
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		+	:I realise I haven't given much time for anyone to respond, however I think something needs to be done about this horribly out-of-date article which provides mostly unnecessary information. My thoughts on the potential options for this article moving forward are as follows:
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		+	:*Find up-to-date spell popularity information. Pros: This article and its information are kept. Cons: This will still remain difficult to gather and so will not be updated in the future; and spell popularity is not a good indicator of how good a spell is - for example Animate Skeleton is an amazing spell, but it is grossly underused because it is annoying and tedious.
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		+	:*Shift this article into something more about the general consensus of how good a spell is. Pros: The article is more maintainable, and provides a more useful measure of spells to pick up. Cons: The article will be very subjective, not what a wiki really needs.
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		+	:*Shift this article into a guide of some sort. Pros: This allows subjective issues to be more easily discussed, where the aim of remaining objective no longer holds - including spell popularity and strength. Cons: The article would take a long time to write, which I don't think many people are willing to put in right now (there are ''far'' more important things to do on this wiki), and would probably never get updated.
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		+	:*Leave this article in its current form. Pros: No work is required trying to update it. Cons: This article is the most out-of date article, and as such, updating it means that the entire wiki is updated by a version. The information on this page is so out-of-date it is hardly meaningful any more, and may provide misinformation regarding removed or changed spells.
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		+	:*Delete this article. Pros: No work is required trying to update it, the out-of-date information is removed such that it no longer provides misinformation or references removed spells, and the wiki can move on from a mostly hidden, unnecessary article. Cons: This article, its information and the potential for similarly quantitative data are lost.
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		+	:I therefore believe that deleting this article provides the most effective method of updating the wiki, removing the horribly out-of-date information, since this page is hardly seen anyway so the effect of deletion is minor, and its topic isn't particularly necessary for the wiki - a similar page for god popularity could exist, but doesn't, for example. Even marking this article for deletion could deter readers if a convincing reason is given, and thereby prevent them from being misled or having to do extra research to work out why they can't find cTele.
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		+	:I shall now flag this article for deletion (without removing any of its content), and this discussion may continue, depending on the attention it attracts.
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		+	:--[[User:NormalPerson7\|NormalPerson7]] ([[User talk:NormalPerson7\|talk]]) 22:17, 2 February 2018 (CET)