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		<id>http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Stats&amp;diff=25872&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Ion frigate at 00:55, 28 March 2014</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:55, 28 March 2014&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot; &gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:If I had access to a machine with the offline version installed, I'd just start running nagas and see if I could determine the actual modifiers that way, but I suspect a code diver could figure it out without spread sheet crunching. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:If I had access to a machine with the offline version installed, I'd just start running nagas and see if I could determine the actual modifiers that way, but I suspect a code diver could figure it out without spread sheet crunching. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:disregard this, it is &amp;quot;2 + specie stats + class stats&amp;quot; so this way it is perfectly nice. on the other hand, for the sace of clarity it might be easier to just put already adjusted numbers into the table&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:disregard this, it is &amp;quot;2 + specie stats + class stats&amp;quot; so this way it is perfectly nice. on the other hand, for the sace of clarity it might be easier to just put already adjusted numbers into the table&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::Seconded on putting the +2 into the stats.&amp;#160; I originally left it out because that's how it was in the source code and the learndb (it was a remnant of randomized stats), but it actually has since been changed on both I believe.&amp;#160; Definitely on the learndb, and it's probably best to be consistent with that. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate|talk]]) 01:55, 28 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Ion frigate</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>Arcanist at 16:01, 27 March 2014</title>
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				<updated>2014-03-27T16:01:16Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:If I had access to a machine with the offline version installed, I'd just start running nagas and see if I could determine the actual modifiers that way, but I suspect a code diver could figure it out without spread sheet crunching. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:If I had access to a machine with the offline version installed, I'd just start running nagas and see if I could determine the actual modifiers that way, but I suspect a code diver could figure it out without spread sheet crunching. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:disregard this, it is &amp;quot;2 + specie stats + class stats&amp;quot; so this way it is perfectly nice. on the other hand, for the sace of clarity it might be easier to just put already adjusted numbers into the table&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Arcanist</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Stats&amp;diff=25866&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>MoogleDan at 13:14, 27 March 2014</title>
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				<updated>2014-03-27T13:14:07Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Possible issue with nagas - it seems tat the stats are incorrect for them. NaWz is getting 9/18/9 as stats upon beginning&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Possible issue with nagas - it seems tat the stats are incorrect for them. NaWz is getting 9/18/9 as stats upon beginning&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:If I had access to a machine with the offline version installed, I'd just start running nagas and see if I could determine the actual modifiers that way, but I suspect a code diver could figure it out without spread sheet crunching. --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] ([[User talk:MoogleDan|talk]]) 14:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>MoogleDan</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
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		<title>Arcanist: need to investigate if the stats are correct</title>
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				<updated>2014-03-27T12:08:49Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;need to investigate if the stats are correct&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Possible issue with nagas - it seems tat the stats are incorrect for them. NaWz is getting 9/18/9 as stats upon beginning&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Arcanist</name></author>	</entry>

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