Talk:Unarmed Combat - Revision history

Fingolfin: /* Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon */

2016-05-20T20:09:57Z

‎Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon

Buddy23Lee: /* Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon */ No hand?! and thanks!

2016-05-19T11:43:11Z

‎Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon: No hand?! and thanks!

Medar: /* Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon */

2016-05-19T08:17:46Z

‎Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon

Buddy23Lee: /* Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon */ new section

2016-05-18T14:50:32Z

‎Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon: new section

Aargxl at 19:19, 12 December 2015

2015-12-12T19:19:34Z

MoogleDan at 15:23, 3 July 2013

2013-07-03T15:23:51Z

Bwijn: /* recommended size of skill training */ dam constants for aux attacks?

2013-07-03T14:05:05Z

‎recommended size of skill training: dam constants for aux attacks?

MoogleDan at 13:32, 3 July 2013

2013-07-03T13:32:20Z

Bwijn: how high to train skill for auxiliary attacks

2013-07-03T13:23:58Z

how high to train skill for auxiliary attacks

New page

== recommended size of skill training ==
As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:09, 20 May 2016
Line 14:		Line 14:
	:Both shield and a two-handed weapon stop the off-hand punch, as does missing a hand. Octopodes can always use the punch ([https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/62c96558818d7251c9a02ed2e24b4bf7523dd546/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1178 source1] [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/a939a6871a3d37ccc7882bae7a0218ccfb8962a9/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7038 source2]). --[[User:Medar\|Medar]] ([[User talk:Medar\|talk]]) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (CEST)		:Both shield and a two-handed weapon stop the off-hand punch, as does missing a hand. Octopodes can always use the punch ([https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/62c96558818d7251c9a02ed2e24b4bf7523dd546/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1178 source1] [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/a939a6871a3d37ccc7882bae7a0218ccfb8962a9/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7038 source2]). --[[User:Medar\|Medar]] ([[User talk:Medar\|talk]]) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (CEST)
	::Missing a hand!? I'm assuming via something like a mutation? Clearly, I'm really falling behind on my DC knowledge. Anyway, the rest makes perfect sense. Thank you! [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 13:43, 19 May 2016 (CEST)		::Missing a hand!? I'm assuming via something like a mutation? Clearly, I'm really falling behind on my DC knowledge. Anyway, the rest makes perfect sense. Thank you! [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 13:43, 19 May 2016 (CEST)
		+	:::[[Ru]]'s sacrifice can make you lose a hand -- [[User:Fingolfin\|Fingolfin]] ([[User talk:Fingolfin\|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2016 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:43, 19 May 2016
Line 13:		Line 13:
	Is it still the case that only shield-wearing negates an off-hand punch? I mean, wielding two-handed weapons still permit that attack, no? [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 16:50, 18 May 2016 (CEST)		Is it still the case that only shield-wearing negates an off-hand punch? I mean, wielding two-handed weapons still permit that attack, no? [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 16:50, 18 May 2016 (CEST)
	:Both shield and a two-handed weapon stop the off-hand punch, as does missing a hand. Octopodes can always use the punch ([https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/62c96558818d7251c9a02ed2e24b4bf7523dd546/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1178 source1] [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/a939a6871a3d37ccc7882bae7a0218ccfb8962a9/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7038 source2]). --[[User:Medar\|Medar]] ([[User talk:Medar\|talk]]) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (CEST)		:Both shield and a two-handed weapon stop the off-hand punch, as does missing a hand. Octopodes can always use the punch ([https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/62c96558818d7251c9a02ed2e24b4bf7523dd546/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1178 source1] [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/a939a6871a3d37ccc7882bae7a0218ccfb8962a9/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7038 source2]). --[[User:Medar\|Medar]] ([[User talk:Medar\|talk]]) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (CEST)
		+	::Missing a hand!? I'm assuming via something like a mutation? Clearly, I'm really falling behind on my DC knowledge. Anyway, the rest makes perfect sense. Thank you! [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 13:43, 19 May 2016 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 08:17, 19 May 2016
Line 12:		Line 12:

	Is it still the case that only shield-wearing negates an off-hand punch? I mean, wielding two-handed weapons still permit that attack, no? [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 16:50, 18 May 2016 (CEST)		Is it still the case that only shield-wearing negates an off-hand punch? I mean, wielding two-handed weapons still permit that attack, no? [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 16:50, 18 May 2016 (CEST)
		+	:Both shield and a two-handed weapon stop the off-hand punch, as does missing a hand. Octopodes can always use the punch ([https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/62c96558818d7251c9a02ed2e24b4bf7523dd546/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#L1178 source1] [https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/a939a6871a3d37ccc7882bae7a0218ccfb8962a9/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7038 source2]). --[[User:Medar\|Medar]] ([[User talk:Medar\|talk]]) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:50, 18 May 2016
Line 8:		Line 8:
	::Okay, thanks. Do you think that auxiliary attacks are of no concern and of constantly the same damage output? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 16:05, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		::Okay, thanks. Do you think that auxiliary attacks are of no concern and of constantly the same damage output? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 16:05, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
	:::Not at all! [[Auxiliary attack]]s have their uses even if the damage is light and rarely ever increases. Claws inflict [[bleed]]ing, headbutts slightly slow the enemy, hooves penetrate [[AC]], and they all inflict damage. Any species with auxiliary attacks is better off in melee than any species without them, all other things equal. They're like a free [[slaying]] bonus. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 17:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		:::Not at all! [[Auxiliary attack]]s have their uses even if the damage is light and rarely ever increases. Claws inflict [[bleed]]ing, headbutts slightly slow the enemy, hooves penetrate [[AC]], and they all inflict damage. Any species with auxiliary attacks is better off in melee than any species without them, all other things equal. They're like a free [[slaying]] bonus. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 17:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
		+
		+	== Off-hand punch w/two-handed weapon ==
		+
		+	Is it still the case that only shield-wearing negates an off-hand punch? I mean, wielding two-handed weapons still permit that attack, no? [[User:Buddy23Lee\|Buddy23Lee]] ([[User talk:Buddy23Lee\|talk]]) 16:50, 18 May 2016 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:19, 12 December 2015
Line 1:		Line 1:
		+	== Term "decimal place" ==
		+	I am not that of a skillful english writer, so I wanted to question, if somebody knows a better term for describing the mathematical situation of 0.23 for example, which I implemented just now while updating the page to the "new" attack delay numbers (like two or three versions ago it changed).
		+	If somebody knows a way of describing it in an understanable way, I'd be pleased. Everything else on this page should now be correct and up to date.[[User:Aargxl\|Aargxl]] ([[User talk:Aargxl\|talk]]) 20:19, 12 December 2015 (CET)
		+
	== recommended size of skill training ==		== recommended size of skill training ==
	As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:23, 3 July 2013
Line 3:		Line 3:
	:I forget which version it was that made the switch, but from at least 0.12 onward Unarmed Combat only improves the performance of your unarmed punches. Beak and talon attacks are unaffected. Therefore, don't touch the skill unless you plan on boxing your opponents. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:32, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		:I forget which version it was that made the switch, but from at least 0.12 onward Unarmed Combat only improves the performance of your unarmed punches. Beak and talon attacks are unaffected. Therefore, don't touch the skill unless you plan on boxing your opponents. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:32, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
	::Okay, thanks. Do you think that auxiliary attacks are of no concern and of constantly the same damage output? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 16:05, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		::Okay, thanks. Do you think that auxiliary attacks are of no concern and of constantly the same damage output? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 16:05, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
		+	:::Not at all! [[Auxiliary attack]]s have their uses even if the damage is light and rarely ever increases. Claws inflict [[bleed]]ing, headbutts slightly slow the enemy, hooves penetrate [[AC]], and they all inflict damage. Any species with auxiliary attacks is better off in melee than any species without them, all other things equal. They're like a free [[slaying]] bonus. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 17:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:05, 3 July 2013
Line 2:		Line 2:
	As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
	:I forget which version it was that made the switch, but from at least 0.12 onward Unarmed Combat only improves the performance of your unarmed punches. Beak and talon attacks are unaffected. Therefore, don't touch the skill unless you plan on boxing your opponents. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:32, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		:I forget which version it was that made the switch, but from at least 0.12 onward Unarmed Combat only improves the performance of your unarmed punches. Beak and talon attacks are unaffected. Therefore, don't touch the skill unless you plan on boxing your opponents. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:32, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
		+	::Okay, thanks. Do you think that auxiliary attacks are of no concern and of constantly the same damage output? -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 16:05, 3 July 2013 (CEST)

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:32, 3 July 2013
Line 1:		Line 1:
	== recommended size of skill training ==		== recommended size of skill training ==
	As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)		As a tengu you have two auxiliary attacks ([[beak]] and [[talons]]). So you should eventually train Unarmed Combat. Does it really make sense to put Xp into this slot? And to what extent? Train up to skill 3 or 5 or...? Anyone out there who'd share own experience or hints at code knowledge about this? The text up to now contains nearly nothing about this topic. -- [[User:Bwijn\|Bwijn]] 15:23, 3 July 2013 (CEST)
		+	:I forget which version it was that made the switch, but from at least 0.12 onward Unarmed Combat only improves the performance of your unarmed punches. Beak and talon attacks are unaffected. Therefore, don't touch the skill unless you plan on boxing your opponents. --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 15:32, 3 July 2013 (CEST)