Template talk:Spellcaster - Revision history

CommanderC at 14:28, 24 January 2013

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CommanderC at 14:26, 24 January 2013

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CommanderC at 14:22, 24 January 2013

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Ion frigate at 22:49, 23 January 2013

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CommanderC at 21:30, 23 January 2013

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MoogleDan at 20:39, 23 January 2013

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MoogleDan: Questions for CommanderC

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Questions for CommanderC

CommanderC at 19:12, 23 January 2013

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CommanderC at 19:08, 23 January 2013

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MoogleDan: Reply to Ion re: Resistances

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Reply to Ion re: Resistances

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-:Should we add this template to monsters with fake spells? I can easily filter them out. I think we should. For example:
+:Should we add this template to monsters with fake spells? I can easily filter them out. I think we should add that info. For example:
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 #An alligator

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 {{Spellcaster
-|name=Pandemonium lord
+|number=
 |slot1=''random''
 |slot2=''random''

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	:* Slot 6: Emergency		:* Slot 6: Emergency
	:The problem is, the only ones that are used completely consistently are 3 and 6. 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be "generic offensive spell", including summonings, hexes, etc. I'm thinking it'd be better to just write an article on monster spellcasting explaining this, and leave the template as-is. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:49, 23 January 2013 (CET)		:The problem is, the only ones that are used completely consistently are 3 and 6. 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be "generic offensive spell", including summonings, hexes, etc. I'm thinking it'd be better to just write an article on monster spellcasting explaining this, and leave the template as-is. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:49, 23 January 2013 (CET)
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		+	::Yes. The only problematic monsters are shapeshifters and pan lords. For those the program will print:
		+	<pre>
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|name=Pandemonium lord
		+	\|slot1=''random''
		+	\|slot2=''random''
		+	\|slot3=''random''
		+	\|slot4=''random''
		+	\|slot5=''random''
		+	\|slot6=''random''
		+	}}
		+	</pre>
		+	:Should we add this template to monsters with fake spells? I can easily filter them out. I think we should. For example:
		+	<pre>
		+	#An alligator
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|number=
		+	\|slot1=''none''
		+	\|slot2=''none''
		+	\|slot3=[[Swiftness]]
		+	\|slot4=''none''
		+	\|slot5=''none''
		+	\|slot6=''none''
		+	}}
		+	#A steam dragon
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|number=
		+	\|slot1=[[Steam Ball]] (3d10)
		+	\|slot2=[[Steam Ball]] (3d10)
		+	\|slot3=''none''
		+	\|slot4=[[Steam Ball]] (3d10)
		+	\|slot5=[[Steam Ball]] (3d10)
		+	\|slot6=''none''
		+	}}
		+	</pre>
		+	::Just add a link to the article inside the template. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 15:22, 24 January 2013 (CET)

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	Any suggestions? --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 22:30, 23 January 2013 (CET)		Any suggestions? --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 22:30, 23 January 2013 (CET)
		+	:Just a question: does it handle monsters that have empty slots or repeated spells well? A good one to test would be hellions: they have nothing but hellfire, with an empty 3rd slot (this is used for self-enchantments and summonings, which hellfire doesn't fit into). And a question about wording: do you think we should try to have the template reflect the spell roles? They supposedly go:
		+	:* Slot 1: Conjuration
		+	:* Slot 2: Conjuration
		+	:* Slot 3: Self-enchantment or summoning
		+	:* Slot 4: Hex or Conjuration
		+	:* Slot 5: Hex or Conjuration
		+	:* Slot 6: Emergency
		+	:The problem is, the only ones that are used completely consistently are 3 and 6. 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be "generic offensive spell", including summonings, hexes, etc. I'm thinking it'd be better to just write an article on monster spellcasting explaining this, and leave the template as-is. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:49, 23 January 2013 (CET)

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	:::: Would this eventual bot be able to add different sorts of resistance down the line? If we have to add a few more categories to do so, that'd be fine. Resistance, immunity, and absorption (it's admittedly rare) are all very different things I'd like us to track, though I've been justifying the current arrangement to myself by thinking that knowledge of any level of resistance is usually enough for most players to know not to do it.		:::: Would this eventual bot be able to add different sorts of resistance down the line? If we have to add a few more categories to do so, that'd be fine. Resistance, immunity, and absorption (it's admittedly rare) are all very different things I'd like us to track, though I've been justifying the current arrangement to myself by thinking that knowledge of any level of resistance is usually enough for most players to know not to do it.
	:::: Also, we're currently manually tracking a decent number of special vulnerabilities (dragon-slaying, orc-slaying, and silver at least) that the knowledge bots don't seem to follow. Would it be possible to still incorporate those in an automated system? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 21:35, 23 January 2013 (CET)		:::: Also, we're currently manually tracking a decent number of special vulnerabilities (dragon-slaying, orc-slaying, and silver at least) that the knowledge bots don't seem to follow. Would it be possible to still incorporate those in an automated system? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 21:35, 23 January 2013 (CET)
		+	::::: I'll add those special vulnerabilies. --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 22:30, 23 January 2013 (CET)
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		+	Wow, this was easier than expected. Here is the output when I run 'monster-trunk lich':
		+	<pre>
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|name=Lich
		+	\|slot1=[[Bolt of Cold]] (3d29)
		+	\|slot2=[[Paralyse]]
		+	\|slot3=[[Summon Greater Demon]]
		+	\|slot4=[[Animate Dead]]
		+	\|slot5=[[Iron Shot]] (3d34)
		+	\|slot6=[[Teleport Self]]
		+	}}
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|name=Lich
		+	\|slot1=[[Bolt of Draining]] (3d24)
		+	\|slot2=[[Animate Dead]]
		+	\|slot3=[[Summon Undead]]
		+	\|slot4=[[Throw Frost]] (3d11)
		+	\|slot5=[[Lehudib's Crystal Spear]] (3d40)
		+	\|slot6=[[Summon Undead]]
		+	}}
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|name=Lich
		+	\|slot1=[[Bolt of Fire]] (3d29)
		+	\|slot2=[[Confuse]]
		+	\|slot3=[[Haste]]
		+	\|slot4=[[Bolt of Draining]] (3d24)
		+	\|slot5=[[Summon Greater Demon]]
		+	\|slot6=[[Banishment]]
		+	}}
		+	{{Spellcaster
		+	\|name=Lich
		+	\|slot1=[[Iskenderun's Mystic Blast]] (3d24)
		+	\|slot2=[[Bolt of Cold]] (3d29)
		+	\|slot3=[[Invisibility]]
		+	\|slot4=[[Animate Dead]]
		+	\|slot5=[[Orb of Destruction]] (8d17)
		+	\|slot6=[[Invisibility]]
		+	}}
		+	</pre>
		+	Any suggestions? --[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 22:30, 23 January 2013 (CET)

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 ::: The advantage is that those templates (<nowiki>{{Holy vulnerability 2}}</nowiki>, etc.) can be defined to display the info in any way we want. One problem is the lack of control over line breaks. --[[User:CommanderC|CommanderC]] 20:08, 23 January 2013 (CET)
-:::: Would this eventual bot be able to add degrees of resistance down the line? If we have to add a few more categories to do so, that'd be fine. Resistance, immunity, and absorption are all very different things I'd like us to track, though I've been justifying the current arrangement to myself by thinking that knowledge of any level of resistance is usually enough for most players to know not to do it.
+:::: Would this eventual bot be able to add different sorts of resistance down the line? If we have to add a few more categories to do so, that'd be fine. Resistance, immunity, and absorption (it's admittedly rare) are all very different things I'd like us to track, though I've been justifying the current arrangement to myself by thinking that knowledge of any level of resistance is usually enough for most players to know not to do it.
 :::: Also, we're currently manually tracking a decent number of special vulnerabilities (dragon-slaying, orc-slaying, and silver at least) that the knowledge bots don't seem to follow. Would it be possible to still incorporate those in an automated system? --[[User:MoogleDan|MoogleDan]] 21:35, 23 January 2013 (CET)

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	::Either way, it can be linked to the appropriate page for the resistance. Would you be able to modify your bot to scrape the spells? Even if not, there actually aren't so many spellcasters that it'd be impossible to do by hand. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:37, 23 January 2013 (CET)		::Either way, it can be linked to the appropriate page for the resistance. Would you be able to modify your bot to scrape the spells? Even if not, there actually aren't so many spellcasters that it'd be impossible to do by hand. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:37, 23 January 2013 (CET)
	:::Regarding resistances, I'd say use the full word. rAsphyx and rWind never really show up in game, do they? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 19:44, 23 January 2013 (CET)		:::Regarding resistances, I'd say use the full word. rAsphyx and rWind never really show up in game, do they? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 19:44, 23 January 2013 (CET)
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		+	:::I think this template will be done by a different bot. That way I can get it working sooner. The first implementation I've made displays the resistances as follows:
		+	<pre>
		+	{{monster
		+	\|name=bone dragon
		+	\|glyph={{LightGray\|D}}
		+	\|tile=[[File:Bone dragon.png]]
		+	\|flags=, evil, sense invisible, fly\|resistances={{Fire resistance}}, {{Cold resistance}}, {{Electricity resistance}}, {{Poison resistance 3}}, {{Drown resistance}}, {{Rot resistance 3}}, {{Negative energy resistance 3}}, {{Torment resistance}}
		+	\|vulnerabilities={{Holy vulnerability 2}}
		+	\|max_chunks=0
		+	\|meat={{No corpse}}
		+	\|xp=2362
		+	\|holiness={{Undead}}
		+	\|magic_resistance=106
		+	\|hp_range=205-275
		+	\|armour_class=20
		+	\|evasion=4
		+	\|speed= 8
		+	\|size=Huge
		+	\|item_use={{Uses nothing}}
		+	\|attack1=30 ({{Bite type}}: {{Plain flavour}})
		+	\|attack2=20 ({{Claw type}}: {{Plain flavour}})
		+	\|attack3=20 ({{Trample type}}: {{Plain flavour}})
		+	\|attack4=
		+	\|hit dice=20
		+	\|intelligence={{Animal intelligence}}
		+	\|genus=dragon
		+	\|}
		+	</pre>
		+	--[[User:CommanderC\|CommanderC]] 20:08, 23 January 2013 (CET)

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	::* The way it is on artefacts, i.e. rF+, rF++, rF+++		::* The way it is on artefacts, i.e. rF+, rF++, rF+++
	::Either way, it can be linked to the appropriate page for the resistance. Would you be able to modify your bot to scrape the spells? Even if not, there actually aren't so many spellcasters that it'd be impossible to do by hand. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:37, 23 January 2013 (CET)		::Either way, it can be linked to the appropriate page for the resistance. Would you be able to modify your bot to scrape the spells? Even if not, there actually aren't so many spellcasters that it'd be impossible to do by hand. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:37, 23 January 2013 (CET)
		+	:::Regarding resistances, I'd say use the full word. rAsphyx and rWind never really show up in game, do they? --[[User:MoogleDan\|MoogleDan]] 19:44, 23 January 2013 (CET)