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 Even if you have 0 skill, certain items are worth throwing:
-*In the very early game, throwing anything - [[rock]]s, [[boomerang]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s - is better than nothing if you have no ranged attack.
+*In the very early game, throwing anything - [[stone]]s, [[boomerang]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s - is better than nothing if you have no ranged attack.
-*[[Throwing net]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s, and [[curare]] darts offer useful effects, but benefit little from the actual Throwing skill, meaning not much skill is required. In particular, nets prevent enemies from moving and make them vulnerable to [[stab]]s, and [[curare]] slows enemies. It can still be worth training a few levels to increase accuracy and throw speed, but it's not 100% required.
+*[[Throwing net]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s, and [[curare]] darts offer useful effects, but benefit little from the actual Throwing skill, meaning not much skill is required to be effective. In particular, nets prevent enemies from moving and make them vulnerable to [[stab]]s, and [[curare]] slows enemies. It can still be worth training a few levels to increase accuracy and throw speed, but it's not 100% required.
 Throwing implements are more common in [[Shoals]] than [[Swamp]]. If the former branch is in your game, you may want to focus a little more on Throwing.

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 Throwing is closer to [[Evocations]] than a traditional weapon skill. Since ammunition is so limited, you cannot use Throwing weapons for every fight. However, it can be a very powerful support tool.
-[[Javelin]]s are a key part of any Throwing specialist's arsenal. Javelins [[penetration|penetrate]] through enemies: they can hit enemies in the backlines, and/or hit multiple enemies at 100% damage. At high skill, javelins can deal massive damage to multiple enemies at once, at full [[LOS]] range.
+[[Javelin]]s are a key part of any Throwing specialist's arsenal. Javelins [[penetration|penetrate]] through enemies: they can hit enemies in the backlines, and/or hit multiple enemies at 100% damage. At high skill, javelins can deal massive damage to multiple enemies at once, at full [[LOS]] range. More stealthy characters can also appreciate [[dart]]s for their debuff effects.
 Throwing implements are more common in [[Shoals]] than [[Swamp]]. If the former branch is in your game, you may want to focus a little more on Throwing.
 ===Tips & Tricks===
 *Javelins can get the [[silver]] brand, which is highly effective against [[chaotic]] enemies (including [[malmutate]]rs, [[the Royal Jelly]], and [[orbs of fire]]).
 *[[Large]] species ([[Troll]]s and [[Oni]]) are able to throw [[large rock]]s, which are both plentiful and high damage (20 base damage). They have a much greater reason to train Throwing than the regular-size species.
-*[[Throwing net]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s, and [[curare]] darts are all useful tools, though they do not benefit much from the actual Throwing skill. More skill will increase their accuracy and throw speed, but not the actual effect. It can still be wise to put a few points into Throwing for the extra bit of accuracy.
+*Even mage characters will often benefit from throwing in the early dungeon. When attacking sleeping monsters, a hit is almost guaranteed even without any skill in throwing. Therefore, dealing the first ranged hit with a throwing (or ranged) weapon instead of a spell is a useful way to conserve mana. Still, because throwing damage relies on [[strength]], investing a lot of skill as a caster is a weaker choice.
 ==History==

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 Throwing weapons benefit more from [[skill]] than other weapons. Like [[Unarmed Combat]], throwing weapons deal <code>(weapon base damage) + (Throwing skill)</code> base damage due to skill (as opposed to the usual +2% bonus for regular weapon skills). For example, 10 Throwing would double the base damage of a [[javelin]] (10+10), but the equivalent skill would only increase other weapons by 20%. Note that [[stone]]s get half the usual bonus.
-Throwing weapons are of limited quantity. All throwables have a chance to [[mulch]] - i.e., be destroyed - when thrown. When this happens, boomerangs, javelins, and large rocks will deal +33% damage. Javelins that mulch will not pierce
+Throwing weapons are of limited quantity. All throwing implements have a chance to [[mulch]] - i.e., be destroyed - when thrown. When this happens, boomerangs, javelins, and large rocks will deal +33% damage. Javelins that mulch will not penetrate.
 Unlike proper [[Ranged Weapons]], Throwing is ''not'' affected by [[armour encumbrance]].
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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.30]], there was no +33% damage bonus for mulching.
+*Prior to [[0.30]], there was no +33% damage bonus when ammo mulched.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Throwing [[crosstrain]]ed with [[Slings (skill)]]. Also, [[Hunter]]s and [[Arcane Marksmen]] could start with throwables.
 *Prior to [[0.28]], monsters carried significantly more throwing weapons, and throwing weapons were slightly more likely to generate on the floor.
 *Prior to [[0.27]], monsters consumed throwing ammunition. You could pick up throwing weapons that monsters used, and monsters could mulch them.
 *Prior to [[0.24]], there were more [[brand]]s for throwing ammunition. Javelins did not penetrate enemies without the [[penetration]] brand.
-*Prior to [[0.18]], throwing speed worked differently from other weapons. Throwing weapons had a mindelay of 0.5, and were overall faster to throw, though skill had less of an impact on throw speed.
+*Prior to [[0.18]], throwing speed worked differently from other weapons. Throwing weapons had a mindelay of 0.5, and were overall faster to throw, but skill had less of an impact on throw speed.
 *Prior to [[0.17]], throwing speed was penalized by [[armour encumbrance]].
 *Prior to [[0.15]], ranged & throwing combat was significantly different. In general, Throwing was less viable.
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 '''Added Weapons'''
 *[[0.24]] - [[Boomerang]]s, [[dart]]s
-*[[0.14]] - [[Tomahawk]]
+*[[0.14]] - [[Tomahawk]]s
 *[[0.3]] - Javelins, throwing nets

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 Unlike proper [[Ranged Weapons]], Throwing is ''not'' affected by [[armour encumbrance]].
-==Weapons==
+==List of Throwing Weapons==
-*[[Stone]]s
+{|class="wikitable"
-*[[Dart]]s
+! Name !! Dam !! Delay !! Minimum Delay !! Size !! Mulch %
-*[[Boomerang]]s
+|-
-*[[Javelin]]s
+| [[Dart]] || None || 10 || 7 (6 skill) || Any || 8.33%
-*[[Large rock]]s
+|-
-*[[Throwing net]]s
+| [[Throwing net]] || None || 10 || 7 (6 skill) || Any || Special
 Anything not listed above can still be thrown, but it is usually useless to do so, as it will do no damage.

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 *Prior to [[0.27]], monsters consumed throwing ammunition. You could pick up throwing weapons that monsters used, and monsters could mulch them.
 *Prior to [[0.24]], there were more [[brand]]s for throwing ammunition. Javelins did not penetrate enemies without the [[penetration]] brand.
-*Prior to [[0.18]], throwing speed worked differently: it had a mindelay of 0.5 aut, but skill had a smaller impact.
+*Prior to [[0.18]], throwing speed worked differently from other weapons. Throwing weapons had a mindelay of 0.5, and were overall faster to throw, though skill had less of an impact on throw speed.
 *Prior to [[0.17]], throwing speed was penalized by [[armour encumbrance]].
 *Prior to [[0.15]], ranged & throwing combat was significantly different. In general, Throwing was less viable.

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 ==Useful Info==
 Throwing weapons benefit more from [[skill]] than other weapons. Like [[Unarmed Combat]], throwing weapons deal <code>(weapon base damage) + (Throwing skill)</code> base damage due to skill (as opposed to the usual +2% bonus for regular weapon skills). For example, 10 Throwing would double the base damage of a [[javelin]] (10+10), but the equivalent skill would only increase other weapons by 20%. Note that [[stone]]s get half the usual bonus.
 Unlike proper [[Ranged Weapons]], Throwing is ''not'' affected by [[armour encumbrance]].
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 ==History==
-*In [[0.30]], boomerangs, javelins, and large rocks deal +33% damage when they mulch.
+*Prior to [[0.30]], there was no +33% damage bonus for mulching.
 *Prior to [[0.29]], Throwing [[crosstrain]]ed with [[Slings (skill)]]. Also, [[Hunter]]s and [[Arcane Marksmen]] could start with throwables.
-*In [[0.28]], monsters now carry fewer throwing weapons, and throwing weapons became slightly less common on the floor.
+*Prior to [[0.28]], monsters carried significantly more throwing weapons, and throwing weapons were slightly more likely to generate on the floor.
-*In [[0.24]], [[blowgun]]s were removed, [[tomahawk]]s were replaced with [[boomerang]]s, and [[needle]]s were replaced with new [[dart]]s. [[Javelin]]s now always penetrate.
+*Prior to [[0.27]], monsters consumed throwing ammunition. You could pick up throwing weapons that monsters used, and monsters could mulch them.
-*In [[0.18]], throwing speed was changed to work like weapons do, making it somewhat slower. The effect of poisoned needles was tied to the Throwing skill.
+*Prior to [[0.24]], there were more [[brand]]s for throwing ammunition. Javelins did not penetrate enemies without the [[penetration]] brand.
-*In [[0.17]], many [[species]] got their Throwing aptitude decreased. Heavy armour stopped penalizing the throwing speed.
+*Prior to [[0.18]], throwing speed worked differently: it had a mindelay of 0.5 aut, but skill had a smaller impact.
-*In [[0.15]], ranged combat was changed to work more like melee combat, making throwing more viable option. Also, [[dart]]s were removed.
+*Prior to [[0.17]], throwing speed was penalized by [[armour encumbrance]].
-*In [[0.14]], [[tomahawk]]s were added. [[Spear]]s, [[dagger]]s, [[club]]s, and [[hand axe]]s stopped functioning as throwing weapons.
+*Prior to [[0.15]], ranged & throwing combat was significantly different. In general, Throwing was less viable.
-*In [[0.8]], [[Evaporate]] stopped using the Throwing skill.
+*Prior to [[0.8]], [[Evaporate]] used the Throwing skill.
-*In [[0.6]], [[blowgun]]s started using the Throwing skill instead of the Darts skill.
-*In [[0.3]], [[javelin]]s and [[throwing net]]s were added.
+'''Added Weapons'''
 {{Skills}}
 [[category:Throwing]]
 [[Category:Weapon skills]]

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 The [[Throwing]] skill denotes how accurate and powerful your character is with thrown weapons.
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 ==Useful Info==
-Throwing weapons benefit more from [[skill]] than other weapons. Like [[Unarmed Combat]], throwing weapons deal <code>(weapon base damage) + (Throwing skill)</code> base damage due to skill. Regular weapons get a <code>1 + 1d(Skill) / 25</code> multiplier instead. For example, 10 Throwing would double the base damage of a [[javelin]] (10+10), but the equivalent skill would only increase other weapons by 20%. Note that [[stone]]s get half the usual bonus.
+Throwing weapons benefit more from [[skill]] than other weapons. Like [[Unarmed Combat]], throwing weapons deal <code>(weapon base damage) + (Throwing skill)</code> base damage due to skill (as opposed to the usual +2% bonus for regular weapon skills.) For example, 10 Throwing would double the base damage of a [[javelin]] (10+10), but the equivalent skill would only increase other weapons by 20%. Note that [[stone]]s get half the usual bonus.
 Unlike proper [[Ranged Weapons]], Throwing is ''not'' affected by [[armour encumbrance]].
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 ===Tips & Tricks===
-* Even at 0 skill, throwing ''something'' is better than waiting for an enemy to approach. If available, you can throw [[stone]]s, [[boomerang]]s, or [[poisoned]] [[dart]]s at distant targets.
+*Even at 0 skill, throwing ''something'' is better than waiting for an enemy to approach. If available, you can throw [[stone]]s, [[boomerang]]s, or [[poisoned]] [[dart]]s at distant targets.
-* Javelins can get the [[silver]] brand, which is highly effective against [[chaotic]] enemies (including [[malmutate]]rs, [[the Royal Jelly]], and [[orbs of fire]]).
+*Javelins can get the [[silver]] brand, which is highly effective against [[chaotic]] enemies (including [[malmutate]]rs, [[the Royal Jelly]], and [[orbs of fire]]).
-* [[Large]] species ([[Troll]]s and [[Ogre]]s) are able to throw [[large rock]]s, which are both plentiful and high damage (20 base damage). They have a much greater reason to train Throwing than the regular-size species.
+*[[Large]] species ([[Troll]]s and [[Oni]]) are able to throw [[large rock]]s, which are both plentiful and high damage (20 base damage). They have a much greater reason to train Throwing than the regular-size species.
-* [[Throwing net]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s, and [[curare]] darts are all useful tools, however they do not benefit much from the actual Throwing skill. More skill will increase their accuracy and throw speed, but not the actual effect. It can still be wise to put a few points into Throwing for the extra bit of accuracy.
+*[[Throwing net]]s, [[poison]] [[dart]]s, and [[curare]] darts are all useful tools, though they do not benefit much from the actual Throwing skill. More skill will increase their accuracy and throw speed, but not the actual effect. It can still be wise to put a few points into Throwing for the extra bit of accuracy.
-* Even mage characters will often benefit from throwing in the early dungeon. When attacking sleeping monsters, a hit is almost guaranteed even without any skill in throwing. Therefore, dealing the first ranged hit with a throwing (or ranged) weapon instead of a spell is a useful way to conserve mana.
+*Even mage characters will often benefit from throwing in the early dungeon. When attacking sleeping monsters, a hit is almost guaranteed even without any skill in throwing. Therefore, dealing the first ranged hit with a throwing (or ranged) weapon instead of a spell is a useful way to conserve mana.
 ==History==

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 ==Strategy==
-Throwing is closer to [[Evocations]] than a traditional weapon skill. Ammunition is limited, meaning you can't use it in every fight. However, Throwing can be a very powerful support tool.
+Throwing is closer to [[Evocations]] than a traditional weapon skill. Since ammunition is so limited, you cannot use Throwing weapons for every fight. However, it can be a very powerful support tool.
 [[Javelin]]s are a key part of any Throwing specialist's arsenal. Javelins [[penetration|penetrate]] through enemies: they can hit enemies in the backlines, and/or hit multiple enemies at 100% damage. At high skill, javelins can deal massive damage to multiple enemies at once, at full [[LOS]] range.