Trog - Revision history

Hordes: /* History */

2025-10-28T03:56:51Z

‎History

Hordes: /* Punishments */

2025-10-18T19:44:44Z

‎Punishments

Hordes at 19:43, 18 October 2025

2025-10-18T19:43:46Z

Patrick2011b: /* Gifts */ clarify that Trog gifts melee weapons

2025-02-25T21:18:17Z

‎Gifts: clarify that Trog gifts melee weapons

Patrick2011b: +CBA per commit 7aa09ac and bump

2025-01-22T17:53:15Z

+CBA per commit 7aa09ac and bump

Hordes: /* Gifts */ mention Trog specifically

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‎Gifts: mention Trog specifically

Hordes: /* Gifts */ remove an indent

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‎Gifts: remove an indent

Hordes: v. bump, standardize gift format

2024-01-16T02:59:20Z

v. bump, standardize gift format

Ge0ff at 12:37, 7 August 2023

2023-08-07T12:37:21Z

Hordes: adjust T&T header

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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.33]], Trog's chance to berserk maxed out at 200 piety and scaled slower. Also, the wrath was different, with a larger variety of effects ([[slow]], [[paralysis]], [[drain]], [[stat drain]] instead of Weak+Vex), a chance to cast [[Fireball]] on you, and the wrath selected did not care about tension.
+*Prior to [[0.33]], Trog's chance to extend berserk maxed out at 200 piety and scaled slower. Also, the wrath was different, with a larger variety of effects ([[slow]], [[paralysis]], [[drain]], [[stat drain]] instead of Weak+Vex), a chance to cast [[Fireball]] on you, and the wrath selected did not care about tension.
 *Prior to [[0.28]], Trog's Berserk did not have a piety cost, and Brothers in Arms was cheaper.
 *Prior to [[0.27]], Trog's Berserk did not have any failure rate. Instead, [[berserk]]ing would have chance to paralyze you after it ends, with Trog lowering and eventually eliminating that (scaling with piety).

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 Trog does not appreciate abandonment, and will call down fearful punishments on disloyal followers!
-Trog's wrath is incandescent. Offenders find themselves swarmed by berserkers — from packs of bears to, for the most powerful, mobs of giants and trolls. Otherwise, those who anger Trog will regularly lose both their strength and self-control as they thoughtlessly thrash in place.}}
+Trog's wrath is incandescent. Offenders find themselves swarmed by berserkers — from packs of bears to, for the most powerful, mobs of giants and trolls. Otherwise, those who anger Trog will regularly lose both their strength and self-control as they thoughtlessly thrash in place.
 Trog's wrath lasts for a relatively long duration.}}

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 '''[[Piety|Piety level -]]''': "Troglodyte"
 *'''Protection From Abjuration''' - [[Abjuration]]s cast against your servants are 20% less effective. (Passive)
-*'''Extend Rage''' - If you kill a monster while berserk, you have a Piety/10% chance of adding 4-13 more turns to your rage.(Passive)
+*'''Extend Rage''' - If you kill a monster while berserk, you have a piety/8% (max. 20%, at 6* piety)chance of adding 4-13 more turns to your rage.(Passive)
 '''[[Piety|Piety level *]]:''' "Angry Troglodyte"
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 Trog does not appreciate abandonment, and will call down fearful punishments on disloyal followers!
-Trog's wrath is incandescent. Offenders find themselves swarmed by berserkers — from packs of bears to, for the most powerful, mobs of giants and trolls. The bodies of those who anger Trog begin to decay, slow, and collapse, and Trog may simply smite them directly with fiery rage.
+Trog's wrath is incandescent. Offenders find themselves swarmed by berserkers — from packs of bears to, for the most powerful, mobs of giants and trolls. Otherwise, those who anger Trog will regularly lose both their strength and self-control as they thoughtlessly thrash in place.}}
 Trog's wrath lasts for a relatively long duration.}}
-During penance or following desertion, you'll occasionally experience one of the following forms of [[divine retribution]]:
-* '''50%''' - Summons multiple hostile, berserked Brothers In Arms against you. Note that these are [[durably summoned]], so you cannot escape them by using stairs, and they will not disappear over time. However, their berserk rage will eventually expire, and they will briefly slow down as normal. They do not re-berserk unless they are already capable of doing so (e.g. [[black bear]]s or [[polar bear]]s).
+During penance or following desertion, you'll occasionally experience one of two forms of [[divine retribution]]:
 **If there is no room for Trog's minions to spawn, a message will appear saying "Trog has no time to punish you...now."
-* '''33%''' - Gives you a weakening effect, which can take the form of [[drain]], stat decay, [[slow]]ing, or [[paralysis]].
+* Inflicts [[Weak]] + [[Vex]].
-* '''16%''' - Trog casts [[Fireball]] on you.
 ==Strategy==
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 ==History==
-{{CBA|0.33|Trog will no longer cast Fireball as a wrath effect, and the debuff effect will be simplified to [[Weak]]+[[Vex]]. Also, which wrath effect is chosen will be based on [[tension]], meaning Trog will always summon Brothers in Arms if tension is very low or very high, or if you are below 2/3 of your max HP. The Brothers in Arms wrath effect will also be slightly nerfed.}}
+*Prior to [[0.33]], Trog's chance to berserk maxed out at 200 piety and scaled slower. Also, the wrath was different, with a larger variety of effects ([[slow]], [[paralysis]], [[drain]], [[stat drain]] instead of Weak+Vex), a chance to cast [[Fireball]] on you, and the wrath selected did not care about tension.
 *Prior to [[0.28]], Trog's Berserk did not have a piety cost, and Brothers in Arms was cheaper.
 *Prior to [[0.27]], Trog's Berserk did not have any failure rate. Instead, [[berserk]]ing would have chance to paralyze you after it ends, with Trog lowering and eventually eliminating that (scaling with piety).

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 ==Gifts==
 '''[[Piety|Piety level *****]]''':
-*'''Weapons''' - Whenever you gain piety, if gift timeout equals 0, you have a <code>25% * (piety - 121) / piety</code> chance to gain a weapon. The weapon created will be enchanted, similar to using a [[scroll of acquirement]], and possibly an [[artefact]]. Trog will only gift weapons with the [[antimagic]], [[flaming]], [[heavy]], or [[speed brand|speed]] brands. The weapon chosen is weighted based on your weapon skills, though there is always a chance of receiving a weapon for which you have no skill.
+*'''Weapons''' - Whenever you gain piety, if gift timeout equals 0, you have a <code>25% * (piety - 121) / piety</code> chance to gain a melee weapon. The weapon created will be enchanted, similar to using a [[scroll of acquirement]], and possibly an [[artefact]]. Trog will only gift weapons with the [[antimagic]], [[flaming]], [[heavy]], or [[speed brand|speed]] brands. The weapon chosen is weighted based on your weapon skills, though there is always a chance of receiving a weapon for which you have no skill.
 :After receiving a gift, the [[gift timeout]] increases to <code>29 + (2d19)/2</code> (30-48) piety. Gaining piety will lower the gift timeout. Note that when you have a gift timeout with Trog, piety gain for all purposes except gifts is reduced.

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 ==History==
 *Prior to [[0.28]], Trog's Berserk did not have a piety cost, and Brothers in Arms was cheaper.
 *Prior to [[0.27]], Trog's Berserk did not have any failure rate. Instead, [[berserk]]ing would have chance to paralyze you after it ends, with Trog lowering and eventually eliminating that (scaling with piety).

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 Trog is a great god for pure melee warriors, like [[Minotaur]]s, [[Troll]]s, and other monstrous [[species]] who won't miss their pathetic spellcasting abilities. When you consider that [[Berserker]]s start with Trog from D:1, along with the incredibly potent [[Berserk]] ability, it's even stronger. Berserk's damage, HP, and speed boosts are extremely handy for pulverizing enemies. Berserk is such a powerful ability that most species (with the possible exception of [[Deep Elves]]) shouldn't really mind getting Trog from a [[faded altar]], even if they started with magic.
-Even the lategame, Trog is a viable god, largely thanks to Brothers in Arms. While easy to underestimate, a berserk [[deep troll]] or two are enough to handle most threats up to and inside the [[Realm of Zot]], including the dreaded [[orb of fire]]. Like other [[summon]]s, Brothers in Arms will not follow you up or down stairs, so be sure to use them when enemies are in sight. Unlike [[Makhleb]]'s demons, brothers will never spawn hostile.
+Even in the lategame, Trog remains viable, largely thanks to Brothers in Arms. While easy to underestimate, a berserk [[deep troll]] or two are enough to handle most threats up to and inside the [[Realm of Zot]], including the dreaded [[orb of fire]]. Like other [[summon]]s, Brothers in Arms will not follow you up or down stairs, so be sure to use them when enemies are in sight. Unlike [[Makhleb]]'s demons, brothers will never spawn hostile.
 The Trog's Hand ability is less impressive, but the [[willpower]] is very useful against dangerous enchantments (such as [[Banishment]], [[Sentinel's Mark]], or [[Petrify]]), and increased regeneration is always useful.

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 ==Strategy==
-Trog is one of the best gods for pure melee warriors, like [[Minotaur]]s, [[Troll]]s, and other monstrous [[species]] who won't miss their pathetic spellcasting abilities. It's even stronger when considering that [[Berserker]]s start with Trog from D:1, along with the incredibly potent [[Berserk]] ability. Its damage, HP, and speed boosts are extremely handy for pulverizing enemies. Berserk is such a powerful ability that most species (with the possible exception of [[Deep Elves]]) shouldn't really mind getting Trog from a [[faded altar]], even if they started with magic.
+Trog is a great god for pure melee warriors, like [[Minotaur]]s, [[Troll]]s, and other monstrous [[species]] who won't miss their pathetic spellcasting abilities. When you consider that [[Berserker]]s start with Trog from D:1, along with the incredibly potent [[Berserk]] ability, it's even stronger. Berserk's damage, HP, and speed boosts are extremely handy for pulverizing enemies. Berserk is such a powerful ability that most species (with the possible exception of [[Deep Elves]]) shouldn't really mind getting Trog from a [[faded altar]], even if they started with magic.
-Trog remains great throughout the game, largely thanks to Brothers in Arms. While easy to underestimate, a berserk [[deep troll]] or two are enough to handle most threats up to and inside the [[Realm of Zot]], including the dreaded [[orb of fire]]. Like other [[summon]]s, Brothers in Arms will not follow you up or down stairs, so be sure to use them when enemies are in sight. Unlike [[Makhleb]]'s demons, brothers will never spawn hostile.
+Even the lategame, Trog is a viable god, largely thanks to Brothers in Arms. While easy to underestimate, a berserk [[deep troll]] or two are enough to handle most threats up to and inside the [[Realm of Zot]], including the dreaded [[orb of fire]]. Like other [[summon]]s, Brothers in Arms will not follow you up or down stairs, so be sure to use them when enemies are in sight. Unlike [[Makhleb]]'s demons, brothers will never spawn hostile.
 The Trog's Hand ability is less impressive, but the [[willpower]] is very useful against dangerous enchantments (such as [[Banishment]], [[Sentinel's Mark]], or [[Petrify]]), and increased regeneration is always useful.
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 Wrath is particularly dangerous; characters that only plan to obtain 3 [[rune]]s before going after the [[Orb of Zot]] have minimal reason to switch to a different god. Only the extended endgame -- areas such as [[Pandemonium]] or the [[Hell]]s -- is challenging enough that the inability to cast magic is a true liability; wait to switch to a different god until you feel yourself ready to handle such dangerous locations. You still keep Trog's [[weapon]]s after abandonment.
-==Tips & Tricks==
+===Tips & Tricks===
 *Remember that even Trog's abilities '''are unusable while berserk'''! Should you need Trog's Hand or Brothers in Arms, make sure to use them before entering a rage. Berserk also cuts off a lot of options, such as all [[potion]]s and [[scroll]]s.
 *Berserk runs out ''very'' quickly if you are not attacking. However, the [[haste]] it provdes can still help get away from trouble. If a stair is close by (3-4 tiles), you can run up and escape before it runs out.