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‎Hurdle Theory

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‎Player Resources

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 ***B. If you don't start training something ''right now'', you won't have a way to deal with the next hurdle.
 **E.g. if [[Freezing Cloud]] gets you through S-branches, and you know you need 5 floors of XP to get FCloud online, you need to train for it 5, maybe 6, maybe 7+ floors before you enter S-branches.
-**Try not to assume you will find a given item, since RNG can always ''not'' give it to you. For example, if you have high Earth/Conjurations and don't expect [[Iron Shot]], don't train for Iron Shot unless you actually get it.
+**Try not to assume you'll find a given item, since RNG can always ''not'' give it to you. For example, if you rely on Earth/Conjurations, but don't have [[Iron Shot]], don't train for Iron Shot unless you actually get it.
 *Experience and/or game sense is important, as it lets you know on how much killpower is enough. (It's both complicated and somewhat arbitrary.)

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 *Once you have enough killpower to overcome a hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. training defenses / the side skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations), and 2. what paths you can take to overcome the ''next'' hurdle.
 **You should probably focus on #1 first; stuff like Fighting helps no matter where your character goes. When you shift from #1 to #2 depends on sense.
-**You need to prepare for the next hurdle before you enter it. E.g. if [[Freezing Cloud]] gets you through S-branches, and you know you need 5 floors of XP to get FCloud online, you need to train for it 5, maybe 6, maybe 7+ floors before you enter S-branches.
+**You should focus on #2 when:
 *Experience and/or game sense is important, as it lets you know on how much killpower is enough. (It's both complicated and somewhat arbitrary.)

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 *Once you have enough killpower to overcome a hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. training defenses / the side skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations), and 2. what paths you can take to overcome the ''next'' hurdle.
 **You should probably focus on #1 first; stuff like Fighting helps no matter where your character goes. When you shift from #1 to #2 depends on sense.
-**You need to prepare for the next hurdle before you enter it. E.g. if [[Freezing Cloud]] gets you through S-branches, and you know you need 5 floors of XP to get FCloud online, you need to train for it 5, 6+ floors before S-branches.
+**You need to prepare for the next hurdle before you enter it. E.g. if [[Freezing Cloud]] gets you through S-branches, and you know you need 5 floors of XP to get FCloud online, you need to train for it 5, maybe 6, maybe 7+ floors before you enter S-branches.
 *Experience and/or game sense is important, as it lets you know on how much killpower is enough. (It's both complicated and somewhat arbitrary.)

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-introduction and a lot more stuff
+*not remotely done* - introduction and a lot more stuff
 ==Tactical Resources==
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 '''Long Term:'''
 * '''Consumables''' - [[Potion]]s, [[scroll]]s, and [[wand]]s. For all intents and purposes, these items are finite. Some consumables are more valuable than others. The more possible situations an item can be useful in, the more valuable it is.
 ==Strategic Resources==
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 ==Hurdle Theory==
 A clarification of the common theories, "training killdudes first, then defenses" and "early game is the hardest part of the game".
 *At any moment, you probably have 1 main way of killing things - i.e. a killdudes. Killpower is an arbitrary measure of how effective <your way of killing things> is.
-*You want enough killpower to handle the upcoming 'hurdle'.
+*You want enough killpower to handle the upcoming 'hurdle'. Enough is when you are comfortable killing the average monster for the area, without using resources.
 *A 'hurdle' is a section with a difficulty spike. The main ones IMO are: Early Dungeon (each floor could be considered a 'sub-hurdle'), Lair, S-Branches, 3rd Rune, Zot.
-*Once you have enough killpower to overcome a hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. training defenses / the emergency skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations), and 2. what paths you can take to overcome the ''next'' hurdle.
+*Once you have enough killpower to overcome a hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. training defenses / the side skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations), and 2. what paths you can take to overcome the ''next'' hurdle.
-*Experience and/or game sense is important, as it lets you know on how much killpower is enough. (It's both complicated and kinda arbitrary)
+**You should probably focus on #1 first; stuff like Fighting helps no matter where your character goes. When you shift from #1 to #2 depends on sense.

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 A clarification of the common theories, "training killdudes first, then defenses" and "early game is the hardest part of the game".
-*You want a way to kill things - i.e. "killdudes" - which is strong enough to handle the upcoming 'hurdle'.
+*At any moment, you probably have 1 main way of killing things - i.e. a killdudes. Killpower is an arbitrary measure of how effective <your way of killing things> is.
-*A 'hurdle' is a section of the game with a difficulty spike. As I can tell, the main ones are "Early Dungeon, Lair, S-Branches, 3rd Rune, Zot"
+*You want enough killpower to handle the upcoming 'hurdle'.
-*Once you have overcome the first hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. what paths you can take to overcome the next hurdle, and 2. training defenses / the emergency skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations).
+*A 'hurdle' is a section with a difficulty spike. The main ones IMO are: Early Dungeon (each floor could be considered a 'sub-hurdle'), Lair, S-Branches, 3rd Rune, Zot.
-*Experience and/or game sense is important as it lets you know on how much "killdudes" is enough.
+*Once you have enough killpower to overcome a hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. training defenses / the emergency skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations), and 2. what paths you can take to overcome the ''next'' hurdle.

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	*'''Complexity''' - For all else being equal, the less things the player has to ''possibly'' worry about, the better.		*'''Complexity''' - For all else being equal, the less things the player has to ''possibly'' worry about, the better.

−	:For example, a scarf of [[harm]] increases damage dealt by 30%, but damage taken by 20%. If you are a [[Minotaur]] of [[Okawaru]], you are likely have the power to steamroll the game. For this character, Harm ''could'' make many situations easier. However, it increases your "threat list", or the amount of situations that ''could'' go bad ~~extremely~~ quickly. Harm would be better for characters struggling with firepower, like weaker mages, who would have their "threat list" reduced by ~~harm~~.	+	:For example, a scarf of [[harm]] increases damage dealt by 30%, but damage taken by 20%. If you are a [[Minotaur]] of [[Okawaru]], you are likely have the power to steamroll the game. For this character, Harm ''could'' make many situations easier. However, it increases your "threat list", or the amount of situations that ''could'' go bad quickly. In contrast, Harm would be better for characters struggling with firepower, like weaker mages, who would have their "threat list" reduced by this ego.
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		+	==Hurdle Theory==
		+	A clarification of the common theories, "training killdudes first, then defenses" and "early game is the hardest part of the game".
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		+	*You want a way to kill things - i.e. "killdudes" - which is strong enough to handle the upcoming 'hurdle'.
		+	*A 'hurdle' is a section of the game with a difficulty spike. As I can tell, the main ones are "Early Dungeon, Lair, S-Branches, 3rd Rune, Zot"
		+	*Once you have overcome the first hurdle, you should start thinking about 1. what paths you can take to overcome the next hurdle, and 2. training defenses / the emergency skills (Evocations, Throwing, Invocations).
		+	*Experience and/or game sense is important as it lets you know on how much "killdudes" is enough.

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 *'''Piety''' - A currency to use your [[god]]'s abilities. Some gods like [[Ashenzari]] or [[Ru]] do not use piety in standard ways.
-*'''XP Evocables''' - "Misc" items, like [[condenser vane]]s and [[phantom mirror]]s. These items recharge when you gain enough XP, effectively meaning they have a cooldown between battles. Having multiple condenser vanes is no more helpful than 1, as they all share the same cooldown.
+*'''XP Evocables''' - "Misc" items, like [[condenser vane]]s and [[phantom mirror]]s. These items recharge when you gain enough XP, effectively meaning they have a cooldown between battles.
 '''Long Term:'''

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 '''Short Term:'''
-*'''Health (HP)''' -  When this hits 0, you die, and the game is permanently over (unless you're a [[Felid]]). If you can take enough damage to die on the next turn, no matter hothen you should act immediately.
+*'''Health (HP)''' -  When this hits 0, you die, and the game is permanently over (unless you're a [[Felid]]). If you can take enough damage to die on the next turn, even if its unlikely, then you should probably act accordingly.
 *'''Magic (MP)''' - Used to cast spells and abilities. Even if you're a "pure" melee character, many [[god]] abilities require ''some'' MP to cast, so watch out!
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 ==Strategic Resources==
 (I may or may not actually make this section)
 ==Player Resources==

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	*'''Complexity''' - For all else being equal, the less things the player has to ''possibly'' worry about, the better.		*'''Complexity''' - For all else being equal, the less things the player has to ''possibly'' worry about, the better.

−	:For example, a scarf of [[harm]] increases damage dealt by 30%, but damage taken by 20%. If you are a [[Minotaur]] of [[Okawaru]], you are likely have the power to steamroll the game. Harm ''could'' make many situations easier. However, it increases your "threat list", or the amount of situations that ''could'' go bad extremely quickly. Harm would be better for characters struggling with firepower, like weaker mages, who would have their "threat list" reduced by harm.	+	:For example, a scarf of [[harm]] increases damage dealt by 30%, but damage taken by 20%. If you are a [[Minotaur]] of [[Okawaru]], you are likely have the power to steamroll the game. For this character, Harm ''could'' make many situations easier. However, it increases your "threat list", or the amount of situations that ''could'' go bad extremely quickly. Harm would be better for characters struggling with firepower, like weaker mages, who would have their "threat list" reduced by harm.

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 *'''Magic (MP)''' - Used to cast spells and abilities. Even if you're a "pure" melee character, many [[god]] abilities require ''some'' MP to cast, so watch out!
-*'''Positioning''' - Where you and/or monsters and/or allies are on the screen.
+*'''Positioning''' / '''Line of Sight''' - Where you, monsters, and/or allies are on the screen. What can hit you at any one time. Where you can move to if things go bad.
 '''Medium Term:'''