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 Statue Form only provides offensive bonuses to Unarmed Combat. Other types of characters can use it for its defenses or resistances, but will find it less useful:
-*It doesn't explicitly penalize spells, but it slows all actions (including spellcasting) by 50%, with no compensation. Thus, spells are less effective at killing things. Of course, spells can still be useful in statue form.
+*Spells aren't ''explicitly'' penalized, but all actions (including spellcasting) are slowed by 50%, with no compensation. Thus, spells are less effective at killing things. Of course, spells can still be useful in statue form.
-*While it boosts weapon damage by 50%, it also slows attack speed by the same amount. Because the 50% damage bonus is applied after AC penalty, there's no "bonus" when fighting high AC foes (i.e. enemy AC is also increased by 50%).
+*Weapon damage is increased by +50%, but statue form also slows attack speed by the same amount. Because the 50% damage bonus is applied after AC penalty, there's no "bonus" when fighting high AC foes (i.e. enemy AC is also increased by 50%).
 *Like with spells, [[ranged weapon]]s are slowed with no damage boost.
-In a 3-rune game, these characters generally should focus on [[Fighting]] and other defensive skills instead of getting Statue Form up and running.
+In a 3-rune game, these characters generally should focus on [[Fighting]] and other defensive skills instead of getting Statue Form up and running. For extended, the torment resistance can give this form more merit.
 ===Tips & Tricks===

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 Being [[slow]] is always dangerous, but Statue Form is ''very'' durable. Unlike many forms, you get to keep a [[shield]]. And unlike heavy [[body armour]], you have your full, unencumbered [[EV]]. With high HP, AC, EV, and decent SH, you'll be tougher than any other form. Overall, a fairly strong form for Unarmed Combat users. Also has great resistances; [[torment]] resistance in particular is valuable in [[extended]].
-Statue Form doesn't explicitly penalize spells, but it slows all actions (including spellcasting) by 50%. This makes spells less effective at killing things. Generally, blaster casters in a 3-rune game should focus on [[Fighting]], [[Dodging]], or [[Shields]] rather than getting Statue Form up and running. Of course, spells can still be useful for Statue Form users.
+Statue Form only provides offensive bonuses to Unarmed Combat. Other types of characters can use it for its defenses or resistances, but will find it less useful:
-Weapons don't fare much better:
+In a 3-rune game, these characters generally should focus on [[Fighting]] and other defensive skills instead of getting Statue Form up and running.
 ===Tips & Tricks===
-* [[Translocations]] spells are great in statue form. [[Lesser Beckoning]] and [[Vhi's Electric Charge]] help a slow-moving melee fighter approach enemies. [[Manifold Assault]] lets you swing your fists at full-screen range.
+*[[Translocations]] spells are great to use in this form. [[Lesser Beckoning]] and [[Vhi's Electric Charge]] help a slow-moving melee fighter approach enemies. [[Manifold Assault]] lets you swing your fists at full-screen range.
-* Very useful for (15 rune) low turncount [[speedrun]]s. Since you act at 1.5 delay, you'll regenerate 1.5 [[decaAut]] per move, while only taking 1 "[[turn]]".
+*Very useful for (15 rune) low turncount [[speedrun]]s. Since you act at 1.5 delay, you'll regenerate 1.5 [[decaAut]] per move, while only taking 1 "[[turn]]".

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 ==Strategy==
-Dragon Form should be treated like the 'glass cannon' of Transmutation spells, much less durable than the +50% HP would make you think. The reduction to [[EV]] from size, lack of [[shield]], loss of all [[armour]] slots, and relatively low [[AC]] (compared to [[Statue Form]] or a heavy armour character) seriously lowers your survivability. The vulnerability to [[silver]] doesn't help things.
+Dragon Form should be treated like the 'glass cannon' of Transmutation spells, much less durable than the +50% HP would make you think. The reduction to [[EV]] from size, lack of [[shield]], loss of all [[armour]] slots, and relatively low [[AC]] (compared to [[Statue Form]] or a heavy armour character) seriously lowers your survivability. The vulnerability to [[silver]] doesn't help things. That being said: with 21 damage, plus aux attacks, added strength, and bonuses from [[Unarmed Combat]] skill, you'll hit like a truck. It's strong even without much UC skill.
-That being said: with 21 damage, plus aux attacks, added strength, and bonuses from [[Unarmed Combat]] skill, you'll hit like a truck. It's strong even without much UC skill.
+Unlike many other transmutations, Dragon Form does not impede spellcasting, beyond the inability to wield [[staves]] or [[int]]-raising gear. You can use support spells or attack magically however you please.
 ===Tips & Tricks===
 *Don't forget about the fire breath, a free, moderately powerful ranged attack. It creates a [[flame cloud]] on landing; aim with '''f .''' to make an enemy stand inside of it. Using flame breath at melee range means your enemy will be stuck inside the cloud for a while.
 *If you can manage to get Dragon Form by the [[Lair]] rune branches, the ability to fly and poison resistance are helpful there. Just watch out for [[silver]] [[javelin]]s in [[the Shoals]] (and cold attacks, like [[bog body]]'s [[Bolt of Cold]] and [[merfolk aquamancer]]'s [[Throw Icicle]], if vulnerable).

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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
 * '''HP Bonus:''' 130% HP
-* '''Innate AC:''' 31 - 38 [[AC]], scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1 AC per 0.875 skill)
+* '''Innate AC:''' 31 - 38 [[AC]], scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1.14 AC per level)
 * '''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 12 base damage.
 * All melee damage, including from [[weapon]]s, is increased by 50% (after [[AC]] is applied).
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 '''Restrictions'''
 * '''[[Transformation#Useful Info|Melded Gear]]:''' [[Body armour]], [[gloves]], [[boots]].
-* '''All''' actions slowed by +50%. Stacks with the [[slow]] status.
+* '''All''' actions slowed by +50%, as if you were [[slow]]ed. This stacks with the slow status.
 * Species [[movement delay]] set to 1.0. It is then slowed by 50% (to 1.5 with no other factors).
 * If you are an [[amphibious]] species, you can stand in [[deep water]], but you get all the normal penalties from both shallow and deep water (statues can't swim).
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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
-* '''Innate AC:''' 15-18, scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1 AC per 3 levels)
+* '''Innate AC:''' 15-18 AC, scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1 AC per 3 levels)
-* '''Bonus EV:''' +20-27 EV, scales linearly with skill past minimum. (+1 EV per 1.14 level)
+* '''Bonus EV:''' +20-27 EV, scales linearly with skill past minimum. (+1.14 EV per level)
 * '''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 29-35 base damage, with added [[electrocution]] brand and [[cleaving]]. (+1 damage per level)
 * '''[[Blinkbolt]]:''' Bolt-targeted ability that deals electric damage to everything in its path, then blinks you to the end. Has a cooldown.
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 '''Restrictions'''
 * '''[[Transformation#Useful Info|Melded Gear]]:''' All [[armour]], [[weapon]] and [[shield]]. (Can only wear [[jewellery]])
-* Suppresses many [[mutation]]s. Species [[movement speed]] set to 10.
+* Suppresses many [[mutation]]s. Species [[movement speed]] set to 1.0.
 Storm Form has a minimum [[Shapeshifting]] skill of 21, below which you get an [[Talisman#Skill|HP penalty]]. Maximum skill is 27, which is the cap on Shapeshifting itself.
 ==Strategy==
-By the time you reach its minimum skill, Storm Form is the highest damage form in the game. Shapeshifting specialists can inflict immense damage per hit, much stronger than even an [[executioner's axe]].
+Storm Form is the highest damage form in the game. Shapeshifting specialists can inflict immense damage per hit, much stronger than even an [[executioner's axe]].
 This form is surprisingly durable. You retain your natural EV, and gain bonuses to both EV and AC. Even though Dragon Form has 150% health, because it is [[Size#Giant|giant]], it loses EV. When your only defensive skills are [[Fighting]] and [[Dodging]], that isn't great.

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 * '''[[Transformation#Useful Info|Melded Gear]]:''' [[Body armour]], [[gloves]], [[boots]].
 * '''All''' actions slowed by +50%. Stacks with the [[slow]] status.
 * If you are an [[amphibious]] species, you can stand in [[deep water]], but you get all the normal penalties from both shallow and deep water (statues can't swim).

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 Dragon Form should be treated like the 'glass cannon' of Transmutation spells, much less durable than the +50% HP would make you think. The reduction to [[EV]] from size, lack of [[shield]], loss of all [[armour]] slots, and relatively low [[AC]] (compared to [[Statue Form]] or a heavy armour character) seriously lowers your survivability. The vulnerability to [[silver]] doesn't help things.
-But, with 21 damage, plus aux attacks, added strength, and bonuses from [[Unarmed Combat]] skill, you'll hit like a truck. It's strong even without any UC training.
+That being said: with 21 damage, plus aux attacks, added strength, and bonuses from [[Unarmed Combat]] skill, you'll hit like a truck. It's strong even without much UC skill.
 ===Tips & Tricks===
 *Unlike many other transmutations, Dragon Form does not impede spellcasting, beyond the inability to wield [[staves]] or [[int]]-raising gear. You can use support spells or attack magically however you please.
 **Support magic, like [[Ozocubu's Armour]] or [[Vhi's Electric Charge]], can be very useful to have. Since you're using Unarmed Combat, [[Manifold Assault]] only hits 1/2 targets, but it can still be worth using.

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 '''Combat Bonuses'''
 * '''HP Bonus:''' 150% HP
-* '''Innate AC:''' 14 - 20 [[AC]], scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill.
+* '''Innate AC:''' 16 - 18 [[AC]], scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1 AC per 4 levels)
-*'''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' <code>9 + Shapeshifting</code> base damage (including [[Claws]] 3).
+*'''[[Unarmed Combat]]:''' 21 - 30 base damage, scales linearly with Shapeshifting past minimum skill. (+1 damage per level)
 * Two '''[[auxiliary attacks]]''': Bite 5 (11 dmg) & Tail slap 3 (6 dmg).
 *'''[[Breathe Fire]]:''' Active ability. Launch a piercing, range-5 bolt of fire, creating a [[flame cloud]] where it lands. No cost, but has a [[Breath|cooldown]] of a few turns. Damage = <code>3d(4 + 2*[[XL]]/3)</code>.<nowiki> <ref>{{source ref|0.30.0|ability.cc|742}}</ref><ref>{{source ref|0.30.0| zap-data.h|999}}</ref> </nowiki>