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Hordes: /* Given Abilities */ "average of MP/4 MP" could be misleading, since that statement could mean "average after considering chance to gain mp at all" or "average before the chance"

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‎Given Abilities: "average of MP/4 MP" could be misleading, since that statement could mean "average after considering chance to gain mp at all" or "average before the chance"

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 '''[[Piety|Piety level ***]]''': "Traumaturge"
 *'''Aid to destructive magic''' - Your chance of miscasting destructive spells is significantly reduced, roughly equal to having 2 stacks of [[wizardry]].
-:Specifically, your [[Spell Success#Modifiers|raw spell success rate]] is multiplied by x66.6%. Generally, your actual failure rates will be smaller than (previous_fail% * .666) at any practical failure rate. Note that this bonus is not considered wizardry, so having wizardry x3 is not the same as having the Vehumet bonus and wizardry x1. Instead, the Vehumet bonus and wizardry multiplicatively stack.
+:Specifically, your [[Spell Success#Modifiers|raw spell failure rate]] is multiplied by x66.6%. Generally, your actual failure rates will be smaller than (previous_fail% * .666) at any practical failure rate. Note that this bonus is not considered wizardry, so having wizardry x3 is not the same as having the Vehumet bonus and wizardry x1. Instead, the Vehumet bonus and wizardry multiplicatively stack.
 '''[[Piety|Piety level ****]]''': "Battlemage"

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 ==Gifts==
 '''[[Spell]]s.'''
-If you are above the prespective iety breakpoint and eligible for a gift, there is chance that Vehumet will offer you the knowledge of a '''Destructive spell'''. Vehumet will offer up to 15 spells:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1229}}</ref>
+If you are above the respective piety breakpoint and eligible for a gift, there is chance that Vehumet will offer you the knowledge of a '''Destructive spell'''. Vehumet will offer up to 15 spells:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1229}}</ref>
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 ==History==
-*Prior to [[0.34]]:
+*Prior to [[0.34]], the first spell gift was given at 1* piety instead of on worship, and spell gifts only considered skill in elemental skills ([[Fire Magic]], [[Ice Magic]], [[Earth Magic]], and [[Air Magic]]). Also, Vehumet boosted the spell range of monsters due to a bug.<ref>https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5cd0e1a866c969c32fb65bd845d5f441ec64b9d</ref>
 *Prior to [[0.32]], the chance to gain MP from kills was <code>(piety-30)/2</code>%, the second spell gift was level 1-2, and the range increase did not apply to [[Hailstorm]], [[Frozen Ramparts]], or [[Eringya's Noxious Bog]].
 *Prior to [[0.31]], Vehumet's spell failure reduction would only stack with 1 level of wizardry.

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 ===Tips & Tricks===
 *The MP refund is fairly weak early on, but really shines with higher-level AOE spells that take out multiple enemies at once. Vehumet doesn't even require you to use spells; bashing them to death with a [[magical staff]] or firing a [[wand]] works just as well.
-*Since Vehumet will try to gift spells which you haven't yet seen (picking up a book will mark all spells therein as "seen"), it may be worth buying early spell books from magic schools you don't want.
+*Since Vehumet will try to gift spells which you haven't yet seen, it could theoretically be worth buying 'irrelevant' spells to increase the chance of getting a spell you want.
 *Vehumet is one of the few gods you can abandon while keeping permanent benefits granted via worship (spells learned via direct gift).
 *Vehumet is a decent god for the extended game, thanks to the strong MP regen, but a god with useful active abilities may be preferred. For example, [[The Shining One]] provides active abilities and both HP and MP restoration when killing evil monsters (which make up most of the extended game monster lists).

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 Vehumet offers a nearly guaranteed "engine", or way to kill things, up through [[Zot]]:5. However, without any active abilities, Vehumet is worse in emergency situations. In a way, you aren't worshipping Vehumet; think of your ''spells'' as the actual god.
-The curated spell gifts, starting from 1* of piety, ensure some method to kill those pesky [[orbs of fire]] (and just about everything else). Two free ranks of [[wizardry]] help get your powerful spells online faster. It makes level 9 spells (more) reasonable to cast in a 3-rune game. And the +1 range is helpful for certain spells. All this comes with zero [[Invocations]] investment. When combined with the wizardry, worshippers can afford to invest more into defensive skills, or even hybridize.
+The curated spell gifts, starting on worship, ensure some method to kill those pesky [[orbs of fire]] (and just about everything else). Two free ranks of [[wizardry]] help get your powerful spells online faster. It makes level 9 spells (more) reasonable to cast in a 3-rune game. And the +1 range is helpful for certain spells. All this comes with zero [[Invocations]] investment. When combined with the wizardry, worshippers can afford to invest more into defensive skills, or even hybridize.
 Whether "having spells as a god" is a good thing is up to you, but it does come with a few downsides. Without active abilities, you have less ways to deal with a dangerous situation. In addition, Vehumet is one of the weaker gods for the early game. For spellcaster backgrounds, the first few spell gifts generally won't be much of an improvement compared to your own spells. Characters new to spellcasting have to take time to train up magic, which might not be all that powerful by the time you hit 1* or even 3*. Furthermore, there are ways to get an "engine" without taking up the god slot.

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 [[File:Vehumet altar.png]] "Let it end in hellfire!"''
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 ==Given Abilities==
 '''[[Piety|Piety level -]]''': "Sorcerer's Apprentice"
-*No new abilities.
+*Vehumet offers a spell gift immediately on worship (see below for details).
 '''[[Piety|Piety level *]]''': "Scholar of Destruction"
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 ==Gifts==
 '''[[Spell]]s.'''
-If you are above the first piety breakpoint and eligible for a gift, there is chance that Vehumet will offer you the knowledge of a '''Destructive spell'''. Vehumet will offer up to 15 spells:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1229}}</ref>
+If you are above the prespective iety breakpoint and eligible for a gift, there is chance that Vehumet will offer you the knowledge of a '''Destructive spell'''. Vehumet will offer up to 15 spells:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1229}}</ref>
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-The first gift will always happen at <nowiki>*</nowiki> piety. Once a new gift is offered, you lose access to the previous gift. The last three spells, which are all level 8-9, are all offered at once, and will always be available so long as you continue to worship Vehumet. Vehumet will not gift spells that are already in your library and will attempt not to gift spells that had been offered previously.
+The first gift will always happen on worship. Once a new gift is offered, you lose access to the previous gift. The last three spells, which are all level 8-9, are all offered at once, and will always be available so long as you continue to worship Vehumet. Vehumet will not gift spells that are already in your library and will attempt not to gift spells that had been offered previously.
-Gifts will tend to correlate with your trained elemental skills. Investing more into specific elemental skills (Fire, Ice, Earth, Air) increases the chance of a spell of said skill. Each school starts at 100 "weight", and every skill level adds 10 to it; the relative likelihood of a specific element is (their weight / total weight).<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1284}}</ref> For example, if you have 10 skill in Fire Magic and 0 in other schools, Fire Magic will be twice as likely, and the others are 66% as likely.
+Gifts will tend to correlate with your skills; all spell schools are considered, and multi-school spells are weighted on their average skill level.
 ===Gift Breakpoints===
 Vehumet gives spells at the following points, assuming you have gifts left:<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1551}}</ref>
-*Gift #1: Always gift at 30 (1*) piety
+*Gift #1: Always gift immediately.
 *Gifts #2-5: Always gift by 53, 71, 89, 107 piety, respectively. These may be given a little earlier than this.
 *Gifts #6-15: At ≥ 120 (5*) piety, uses the [[gift timeout]] system, for timeout = <code>28 + (2d30)/2</code>.<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|religion.cc|1587}}</ref> When timeout = 0, there's a 5% chance to get a gift whenever you gain piety.
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 ==History==
-{{CBA|0.34|Vehumet's spell range increase will stop increasing spell range of monsters.<ref>https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5cd0e1a866c969c32fb65bd845d5f441ec64b9d</ref>
+*Prior to [[0.34]]:
 *Vehumet's spell gifts will be affected by the player's Alchemy and Conjurations skills too. Also, Vehumet will gift a level 1 spell on join.}}
 *Prior to [[0.32]], the chance to gain MP from kills was <code>(piety-30)/2</code>%, the second spell gift was level 1-2, and the range increase did not apply to [[Hailstorm]], [[Frozen Ramparts]], or [[Eringya's Noxious Bog]].

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 '''[[Piety|Piety level *]]''': "Scholar of Destruction"
-*'''Gain power from killing''' - When you kill a monster, you have a piety-dependent chance of recovering an average of ([[HD]]/4) MP. Specifically, you have a <code>30 + (50 * (max(piety - 30, 130)/130)</code>% chance<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|mon-death.cc|2581}}<br>piety_breakpoint(0) = 1* piety = 30<br>piety_breakpoint(5) = 6* piety = 160</ref> of recovering <code>1d(HD/2)</code> MP.<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|mon-death.cc|2601}}</ref> HD is the [[hit dice]] of the monster killed. At 6* piety, you have an 80% chance. (Passive)
+*'''Gain power from killing''' - When you kill a monster, you have a piety-dependent chance of recovering MP. There is a <code>30 + (50 * (max(piety - 30, 130)/130)</code>% chance<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|mon-death.cc|2581}}<br>piety_breakpoint(0) = 1* piety = 30<br>piety_breakpoint(5) = 6* piety = 160</ref> of recovering <code>1d(HD/2)</code> MP.<ref>{{source ref|0.32.1|mon-death.cc|2601}}</ref> HD is the [[hit dice]] of the monster killed. At 6* piety, you have an 80% chance. (Passive)
 '''[[Piety|Piety level **]]''': "Caster of Ruination"