Victory dance - Revision history

Hordes at 22:57, 1 August 2023

2023-08-01T22:57:53Z

Hordes at 22:56, 1 August 2023

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Hordes at 17:22, 11 November 2022

2022-11-11T17:22:30Z

Hordes: completely unnecessary modernization of the article

2022-11-11T17:18:17Z

completely unnecessary modernization of the article

MoogleDan: Cleaned up

2013-08-27T12:53:01Z

Cleaned up

Ion frigate: frankly, the removal of VD'ing was probably more motivated by zig runners than average players

2013-08-27T05:50:53Z

frankly, the removal of VD'ing was probably more motivated by zig runners than average players

Ion frigate: Y

2013-08-27T02:30:17Z

Bwijn: Created page

2013-08-26T13:59:33Z

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'''Victory dance''' refers to the pre-0.9 training strategy, when experience gained from defeating enemies was spent on skills used next. Thus, a victory dance was practising those skills after battle victories.

Version 0.9 changed the skill system so that the [[experience]] gained is immediately spent on skills, and the spread is defined mostly by how much the skill has been recently used.

See also [[Skill#Training]].

[[Category:Obsolete strategy]]

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 ==Useful Info==
-When you gain experience, any [[skill]] XP is put into an XP pool. These points are distributed to skills as they are used, much like post-[[0.10]] automatic training. Victory dancing refers to repeated actions, like casting a [[spell]], in order to set your skill distribution.
+In [[0.8]] and earlier, when you gain experience, any [[skill]] XP is put into an XP pool. These points are distributed to skills as they are used, much like post-[[0.10]] automatic training. Victory dancing refers to repeated actions, like casting a [[spell]], in order to set your skill distribution.
 While the XP pool was removed in [[0.9]], dancing is still required to get the first level of a skill.

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 When you gain experience, any [[skill]] XP is put into an XP pool. These points are distributed to skills as they are used, much like post-[[0.10]] automatic training. Victory dancing refers to repeated actions, like casting a [[spell]], in order to set your skill distribution.
-While the XP pool was removed in [[0.9]], dancing is still required to set training so that you can get the first level of a skill.
+While the XP pool was removed in [[0.9]], dancing is still required to get the first level of a skill.
 ==Strategy==

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 ==Useful Info==
-When you gain experience, any skill XP is put into a pool. These points are distributed to skills as they were used (much like post-[[0.10]] automatic training). Victory dancing refers to repeated actions, like casting a [[spell]], to distribute skills how you want.
+When you gain experience, any [[skill]] XP is put into an XP pool. These points are distributed to skills as they are used, much like post-[[0.10]] automatic training. Victory dancing refers to repeated actions, like casting a [[spell]], in order to set your skill distribution.
-==Necessity==
+While the XP pool was removed in [[0.9]], dancing is still required to set training so that you can get the first level of a skill.
 The need for and ensuing annoyance caused by victory dancing were both often overstated. An "average" character would usually not find it terribly necessary to victory dance their main skills, e.g. a melee type would have no trouble maxing their main weapon skill without victory dancing, or a conjurer could easily max out [[Conjurations]] and an elemental school without much difficulty. Defensive skills ([[Dodging]], [[Armour]], [[Shields]]) would sometimes require some victory dancing to max out, but would usually also rise fairly high on their own. More difficult were ancillary skills; for example, a melee character who decided to learn [[Haste]] would find it necessary to victory-dance [[Enchantments]] rather excessively to get that spell up to a reasonable failure rate.
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 ==History==
-*In [[0.10]], victory dancing was removed entirely; all skills are now unlocked by default.
+*In [[0.10]], victory dancing was removed entirely; all skills are now unlocked as soon as you have an item that can use it.
 *In [[0.9]], the skill system was changed so that the [[experience]] gained would be immediately spent on skills, removing the XP pool entirely. You still have to victory dance to obtain the first level of a skill.
 *Prior to [[0.8]], there was a limit to how much XP the pool could hold, meaning victory dancing was necessary to simply avoid wasting experience.

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-'''Victory dance''' refers to a now-obsolete skill training strategy. Prior to [[0.9]], any experience points gained from defeating enemies were put into a pool. This experience was then distributed to skills as they were used. The victory dance was the practice of repeatedly using certain skills to deplete the XP pool in a desired manner. If this was not done, eventually the XP pool would hit a cap, meaning that further experience would not go toward training any skills.
+'''Victory dancing''' is the repetitive use of actions to distribute [[skill point]]s.
-In [[0.8]] the XP pool cap was removed, meaning that victory dancing was no longer necessary simply to avoid wasting experience. In [[0.9]] the skill system was changed so that the [[experience]] gained would be immediately spent on skills, the spread (usually) being defined by the user, or by whichever skills were most recently used if automatic skill training was active. This change removed victory dancing almost entirely, but up until [[0.10]] it was still necessary to victory dance in order to gain the first level of a skill.
+==Useful Info==
 ==Necessity==
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 While it is true that the XP pool cap caused a lot of experience to be lost for the purposes of skill training, in actuality this was not a huge deal: this only happened to late-game characters, who would almost invariably have enough skills to survive anyway.
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 {{obsolete}}
-'''Victory dance''' refers to the pre-0.9 training strategy, when experience gained from defeating enemies was put into a pool, whose points were then distributed to skills as they were used. Thus, a victory dance was practising those skills after battle victories.  If this was not done, eventually the XP pool would hit a cap, meaning that further experience would not go towards training any skills.
+'''Victory dance''' refers to a now-obsolete skill training strategy. Prior to [[0.9]], any experience points gained from defeating enemies were put into a pool. This experience was then distributed to skills as they were used. The victory dance was the practice of repeatedly using certain skills to deplete the XP pool in a desired manner. If this was not done, eventually the XP pool would hit a cap, meaning that further experience would not go toward training any skills.
-In [[0.8]] the XP pool cap was removed, meaning that victory dancing was no longer necessary simply to avoid wasting experience.  In [[0.9]] the skill system was changed so that the [[experience]] gained would be immediately spent on skills, the spread (usually) being defined by the user, although possibly by what skills were most recently used, if using automatic skill training.  This changed removed victory dancing almost entirely, but up until [[0.10]] it was still necessary to victory dance in order to gain the first level of a skill.
+In [[0.8]] the XP pool cap was removed, meaning that victory dancing was no longer necessary simply to avoid wasting experience. In [[0.9]] the skill system was changed so that the [[experience]] gained would be immediately spent on skills, the spread (usually) being defined by the user, or by whichever skills were most recently used if automatic skill training was active. This change removed victory dancing almost entirely, but up until [[0.10]] it was still necessary to victory dance in order to gain the first level of a skill.
 ==Necessity==
 The need for and ensuing annoyance caused by victory dancing were both often overstated. An "average" character would usually not find it terribly necessary to victory dance their main skills, e.g. a melee type would have no trouble maxing their main weapon skill without victory dancing, or a conjurer could easily max out [[Conjurations]] and an elemental school without much difficulty. Defensive skills ([[Dodging]], [[Armour]], [[Shields]]) would sometimes require some victory dancing to max out, but would usually also rise fairly high on their own. More difficult were ancillary skills; for example, a melee character who decided to learn [[Haste]] would find it necessary to victory-dance [[Enchantments]] rather excessively to get that spell up to a reasonable failure rate.
 While it is true that the XP pool cap caused a lot of experience to be lost for the purposes of skill training, in actuality this was not a huge deal: this only happened to late-game characters, who would almost invariably have enough skills to survive anyway.
 [[Category:Obsolete strategy]]

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 '''Victory dance''' refers to the pre-0.9 training strategy, when experience gained from defeating enemies was spent on skills used next. Thus, a victory dance was practising those skills after battle victories.
-Version 0.9 changed the skill system so that the [[experience]] gained is immediately spent on skills, and the spread is defined mostly by how much the skill has been recently used.
+Version 0.9 changed the skill system so that the [[experience]] gained is immediately spent on skills, and the spread is defined either automatically by what skills have been used recently, or entirely manually by the user.  See [[Skill#Training]].
 [[Category:Obsolete strategy]]