http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Octopode - Revision history2024-03-29T04:36:51ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=28622&oldid=prevDC Malleus: Fixed broken link2014-05-09T11:58:21Z<p>Fixed broken link</p>
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</table>DC Malleushttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9988&oldid=prevBwijn: /* Beastly Appendage */ considering to try it out2013-04-03T12:45:30Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Beastly Appendage: </span> considering to try it out</span></p>
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</table>Bwijnhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9987&oldid=prevMoogleDan at 12:17, 3 April 20132013-04-03T12:17:31Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>MoogleDanhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9985&oldid=prevMoogleDan at 12:05, 3 April 20132013-04-03T12:05:42Z<p></p>
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</table>MoogleDanhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9984&oldid=prevMoogleDan at 11:51, 3 April 20132013-04-03T11:51:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've read with much interest the contributions of Spudwalt as for [http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Bad_mutations&curid=1509&diff=9970&oldid=9835 Beastly Appendage - Diff]. I've tried out octopodes 3-4 times, leading those to harvest "easy" runes. The [[Beastly Appendage]] spell I used to learn in early game to train Unarmed combat and [[transmutations]] magic and replace it in midgame by more effectful spells. Anybody out there who is able to give reliable experience on the usefulness of "Beastly Appendage" in mid game sandard situations? Do the added auxiliary attacks (claws, horns, talons) provided by Beastly Appendage and [[Unarmed combat]] are worth to carry on with the spell? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 13:07, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've read with much interest the contributions of Spudwalt as for [http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Bad_mutations&curid=1509&diff=9970&oldid=9835 Beastly Appendage - Diff]. I've tried out octopodes 3-4 times, leading those to harvest "easy" runes. The [[Beastly Appendage]] spell I used to learn in early game to train Unarmed combat and [[transmutations]] magic and replace it in midgame by more effectful spells. Anybody out there who is able to give reliable experience on the usefulness of "Beastly Appendage" in mid game sandard situations? Do the added auxiliary attacks (claws, horns, talons) provided by Beastly Appendage and [[Unarmed combat]] are worth to carry on with the spell? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 13:07, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>MoogleDanhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9983&oldid=prevBwijn: /* Beastly Appendage */ new section2013-04-03T11:07:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Beastly Appendage: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I've read with much interest the contributions of Spudwalt as for [http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Bad_mutations&curid=1509&diff=9970&oldid=9835 Beastly Appendage - Diff]. I've tried out octopodes 3-4 times, leading those to harvest "easy" runes. The [[Beastly Appendage]] spell I used to learn in early game to train Unarmed combat and [[transmutations]] magic and replace it in midgame by more effectful spells. Anybody out there who is able to give reliable experience on the usefulness of "Beastly Appendage" in mid game sandard situations? Do the added auxiliary attacks (claws, horns, talons) provided by Beastly Appendage and [[Unarmed combat]] are worth to carry on with the spell? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 13:07, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Bwijnhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9982&oldid=prevBwijn: /* Difficulty of Play */ new section2013-04-03T10:53:07Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Difficulty of Play: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">IMO the present profile "easy" in "Difficulty of Play" is completely wrong. It should be "hard". Octopodes have (like merfolk) the aquatic advantage in the branches [[Shoals]], [[Swamp]] and [[Abyss]] (free escape routes, no water delay). The availability of "wish list" [[ring]]s is mostly *very bad* for a long stretch of road in early and mid game. To get a decent [[wizard hat]] or randart [[buckler]] (the only possible armour pieces) you probably need to use several scrolls of acquirement. [[Resistance]]s are a big problem. - Your trump is a high stealth value ([[Aptitude]] of "3") as soon as possible so you can assasinate most menacing brutes. Sum up: quite difficult to survive as an octopode character! -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 12:53, 3 April 2013 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Bwijnhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9213&oldid=prevBwijn: /* shield logic? */ found: carrying a Rod of Warding is enough2013-03-09T08:45:54Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">shield logic?: </span> found: carrying a <a href="/index.php?title=Rod_of_Warding&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Rod of Warding (page does not exist)">Rod of Warding</a> is enough</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How come that you can train [[shield]]s as an octopode without even having one (not even [[condensation shield]])? Do tentacles count as natural shield as well? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 09:28, 9 March 2013 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How come that you can train [[shield]]s as an octopode without even having one (not even [[condensation shield]])? Do tentacles count as natural shield as well? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 09:28, 9 March 2013 (CET)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Bwijnhttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Octopode&diff=9211&oldid=prevBwijn: shield logic?2013-03-09T08:28:27Z<p>shield logic?</p>
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How come that you can train [[shield]]s as an octopode without even having one (not even [[condensation shield]])? Do tentacles count as natural shield as well? -- [[User:Bwijn|Bwijn]] 09:28, 9 March 2013 (CET)</div>Bwijn