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===Risks of >1.0 attack delay===
 
===Risks of >1.0 attack delay===
Heavy can seem like a good brand on the surface, but it can be ''very'' risky, as it can prevent you from reaching ≤ 1.0 attack delay. Most weapons have a [[minimum delay]] of 0.7. A weapon with delay of 0.7 would now have a delay of 1.05 [[decaAut]]. This represents a 5% chance of a regular speed enemy getting a double-turn of attacks.
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Heavy can be a good brand on average, but it can be ''very'' risky, as it can prevent you from reaching ≤ 1.0 attack delay. Most weapons have a [[minimum delay]] of 0.7; heavy turns that into a 1.05 [[decaAut]] delay. This represents a 5% chance of a regular speed enemy getting a double-turn of attacks.
  
A [[komodo dragon]] can normally hit for up to 34 damage, so with a double-turn, it turns into 68 damage. The chance of this actually happening is tiny - the probability of {max roll, getting double turn, max roll} is extremely low, and [[AC]] / [[EV]] / [[SH]] further reduces that chance. Also, [[guaranteed damage reduction]] will lower the max damage against non-spells. Still, attacking above 1.0 delay forces you between two options:
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For example, a [[deep elf annihilator]]'s can deal up to 102 damage. Doubled, that's 204 damage - more than the max HP of many characters. The chance of this actually happening is miniscule (0.003% to maxroll one spear, 5% to double-turn, further reduced by [[AC]]/[[EV]]/[[SH]]). But...
*Treat every time you go below ~60 HP vs. a komodo dragon with extreme caution - often forcing consumable use. (Remember that [[Throwing]], [[evocable]]s, etc. let you attack at 1.0 if so desired.)
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*Maximum damage isn't necessary: a high roll, say 80*2 damage, still really hurts.
*Introduce a tiny, but non-zero chance of dying every time you make a swing below ~60 HP vs. a komodo dragon.
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*Most dangerous situations in ''Crawl'' involve multiple enemies. Add a single other [[list of deep elves|deep elf]] to the picture, and max damage increases further. When you consider a pack of enemies, things can go sour really quickly.
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*This problem isn't exclusive to deep elf annihilators. Because "damage you can possibly take in one turn" is doubled, it can force you to use consumables much earlier. E.g. a [[komodo dragon]] deals 34*2 damage, before [[guaranteed damage reduction]]. To avoid the chance of being killed, you'll need to use something at ~60 HP rather than ~30 HP. (Remember that [[wand]]s, [[Throwing]], etc. aren't slowed by your weapon.)
  
It's important to remember that most dangerous situations in ''Crawl'' involve multiple enemies. Add a [[yak]] into the picture, and it becomes max 104 damage. When you consider an entire pack of enemies, things can go sour very quickly. Even if they don't do max damage, a few high damage attacks can end your run, or at least force you to use [[scroll]]s or [[potion]]s. Also note that this applies for almost every 10-speed enemy in the game, not just komodo dragons (for instance, [[deep elf annihilator]]s can deal up to 102*2 damage, which can one-shot most characters).
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Weapons that have a minimum delay below 0.7, like [[demon blade]]s, [[demon trident]]s, and all [[Short Blades]], can reach a post-heavy mindelay below 1.0. Though watch out for [[shield]]s, which can bring the delay back up. Also, for weapons that don't reach 1.0 delay (e.g. [[hand crossbow]] + any [[shield]]), this point is obviously moot.  
 
 
Weapons that have a minimum delay below 0.7, like [[demon blade]]s, [[demon trident]]s, and all [[Short Blades]], can reach a post-heavy mindelay below 1.0. Though watch out for [[shield]]s, which can bring the delay back up. Also, for weapons that never reach 1.0 delay (e.g. [[hand crossbow]] + any [[shield]]), this point is obviously moot.
 
  
 
==Tips & Tricks==
 
==Tips & Tricks==
 
*Slow actions can be useful in a turn count [[speedrun]]. Each attack takes 1 [[turn]], regardless of how long the swing was. If a regular weapon would take 3 turns to kill an enemy, a heavy weapon would take 2.
 
*Slow actions can be useful in a turn count [[speedrun]]. Each attack takes 1 [[turn]], regardless of how long the swing was. If a regular weapon would take 3 turns to kill an enemy, a heavy weapon would take 2.
  
:In addition, swinging an untrained heavy weapon is a better way to skip time than [[bread swinging]]. For example, swinging a [[scroll]] takes 1.5 [[decaaut]]s, but it takes 2.1 decaauts to swing a heavy [[flail]] when you have 0 [[Maces & Flails]] skill.
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:In addition, swinging an untrained heavy weapon is a better way to skip time than [[bread swinging]]. For example, swinging a [[scroll]] takes 1.5 [[decaAut]]s, but it takes 2.1 decaAuts to swing a heavy [[flail]] when you have 0 [[Maces & Flails]] skill.
  
 
==History==
 
==History==

Revision as of 02:26, 21 September 2023

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It deals dramatically more damage, but attacks with it are much slower.

The heavy brand does the following:

  • Adds +80% base damage, but take 50% longer to swing. This results in an average of +20% physical damage.
The penalty to attack speed is applied after skill, but before the effects of shield and armour encumbrance.

Compared to brands like flaming and freezing, heavy weapons are reduced less by AC, but receive less benefit from slaying and will activate less auxiliary attacks.

Strategy

Heavy offers a slightly weaker damage boost than flaming or freezing, but has the benefit of being irresistible. In an average situation, heavy is competitive with those brands. It has a clear superiority against high AC. Conversely, it is clearly worse for slaying-reliant weapons, like quick blades. Heavy is also poor for species with strong aux attacks, such as Tengu or Vine Stalker.

In addition, heavy weapons are less impacted by shield/armour encumbrance. For example, lets say armour increases attack delay by +0.1 decaAut:

  • A regular weapon would go from 1.0 -> 1.1 delay, or 10% slower.
  • A heavy weapon would go from 1.5 -> 1.6 delay, or 6.25% slower.

However, using heavy on most weapons introduces a serious risk - see below for details.

Risks of >1.0 attack delay

Heavy can be a good brand on average, but it can be very risky, as it can prevent you from reaching ≤ 1.0 attack delay. Most weapons have a minimum delay of 0.7; heavy turns that into a 1.05 decaAut delay. This represents a 5% chance of a regular speed enemy getting a double-turn of attacks.

For example, a deep elf annihilator's can deal up to 102 damage. Doubled, that's 204 damage - more than the max HP of many characters. The chance of this actually happening is miniscule (0.003% to maxroll one spear, 5% to double-turn, further reduced by AC/EV/SH). But...

  • Maximum damage isn't necessary: a high roll, say 80*2 damage, still really hurts.
  • Most dangerous situations in Crawl involve multiple enemies. Add a single other deep elf to the picture, and max damage increases further. When you consider a pack of enemies, things can go sour really quickly.
  • This problem isn't exclusive to deep elf annihilators. Because "damage you can possibly take in one turn" is doubled, it can force you to use consumables much earlier. E.g. a komodo dragon deals 34*2 damage, before guaranteed damage reduction. To avoid the chance of being killed, you'll need to use something at ~60 HP rather than ~30 HP. (Remember that wands, Throwing, etc. aren't slowed by your weapon.)

Weapons that have a minimum delay below 0.7, like demon blades, demon tridents, and all Short Blades, can reach a post-heavy mindelay below 1.0. Though watch out for shields, which can bring the delay back up. Also, for weapons that don't reach 1.0 delay (e.g. hand crossbow + any shield), this point is obviously moot.

Tips & Tricks

  • Slow actions can be useful in a turn count speedrun. Each attack takes 1 turn, regardless of how long the swing was. If a regular weapon would take 3 turns to kill an enemy, a heavy weapon would take 2.
In addition, swinging an untrained heavy weapon is a better way to skip time than bread swinging. For example, swinging a scroll takes 1.5 decaAuts, but it takes 2.1 decaAuts to swing a heavy flail when you have 0 Maces & Flails skill.

History

  • In 0.30, this weapon brand was introduced. It replaced the vorpal brand.
Brands
Melee weapons AntimagicChaosDistortionDrainingElectrocutionFlamingFreezingHeavyHoly wrathPainProtectionReachingSpectralSpeedVampiricVenom
DisruptionDragon slayingReapingSilver
Launchers AntimagicDrainingElectrocutionFlamingFreezingHeavyPenetrationSpeed
Throwing weapons AtropaCurareDaturaDispersalPoisonedSilver