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Old Discussions: CrawlWiki:Community_portal/Archive 1: August 2012 – June 2013

Poll on scrolls of acquirement

There's not much hilarious life and dialogue in this wiki I observed. And there are no such things like polls that might change that. So I make an attempt to introduce it. -- Bwijn 23:04, 21 March 2013 (CET)

What do you do *usually* when you find an identified scroll of acquirement?

a) Read it immediately because any increase in power or shelter is crucial to success?

b) Put it in a stash because as an advanced character in the deeper regions you will get better stuff?

c) Use it soon to cover the worst weaknesses of your avatar, e. g. choose armour in hope for resistances for your spriggan?

d) Put it aside because you might need later sth special for a Ziggurat/treasure trove access?

Room for answers and debate:

I generally use them immediately. Treasure troves usually request other things, and there's nothing more frustrating than dying knowing you hadn't used some resource that might have saved you. As for WHAT I pick, it's almost always armour, if only because there's usually an armour slot that would benefit from a ludicrously good artifact, even if the RNG usually gives me a crappy +2 ring mail of uselessness. The only reason I might save it is if I haven't even found a mundane item for a particular armour slot yet, as that tends to make the acquirement give you a boring normal item. --MoogleDan 23:53, 21 March 2013 (CET)

I tend to a) use them immediately. Also I think that the official forums or r/rogulikes would be a much better place to have polls like this. You'll get more responses too =) --Flun 15:39, 22 March 2013 (CET)

I normally do not use SoA immediately because I found out that the result in low depths (even Lair:2) and/or low XL tend to be be "pretty" disappointing. And like Dan it's mostly armour I acquire. - The proposals above are not meant as one and the other 3 not! I think that Dan's answer reflects that fine.

As for Flun's ideas I don't consent. Surely the wiki will never be a competion to those forums. On the other hand I don't intend to spread my activities to a lot of places like that. Just sometimes when I'm here editing some stuff I miss a little non too serious talk. - Beyond that I have a research interest in my topic that is genuinely attached to increasing knowledge (wiki's core mission). My questions investigate aspects of this scroll that are not in the code-database but in the gameplay itself. So it depends on completely individual traits of behaviour. Hope I made myself understood. (I don't have to explain such difficult connections frequently, it's not my native language.) -- Bwijn 18:22, 22 March 2013 (CET)

I always use them immediately. Weapons and wands are my usual choices. --CommanderC 19:36, 22 March 2013 (CET)

Re Bwijn: You have a good point. Anyways, will you be joining us in our tournament team? --Flun 20:01, 22 March 2013 (CET)

I usually use them right off. As for what I request, it varies depending on the situation: I often ask for armor, but sometimes I'll ask for a weapon if I think I need a better one. If I'm running an Earth Elementalist and haven't found a staff of earth yet, I'll usually ask for that. --spudwalt 00:55, 23 March 2013 (CET)

I generally use them immediately as well. I've never noticed that huge a difference in acquirements between shallow and deep levels - it's not directly affected by depth anyway, it's just less likely to give you stuff you've already seen, so having seen a whole lot of items makes it less likely to give you some of the more common ones. But that might be because I almost always acquire armour, or occasionally jewellery - in both cases, the "common" items are usually more useful than, for example, with spellbooks. And you have the not-small chance of getting a randart.

The only case where I will "save" scrolls of acquirement, so to speak, is if they're in a shop. In that case, I will usually wait until I have explored all of the shop-bearing branches, so I don't end up lacking the gold to buy something really awesome that I come across. -Ion frigate 03:14, 23 March 2013 (CET)

Will you get warned, if new trunk-versions don't "stack"?

As online games are much too frequently disconnected I've downloaded my own trunk version to play at home. I'm not sure if any new "builds" can be installed over the previous? I saw once while online gaming that a new build "stacked" without problems. Will there be warnings if not? Only in the bug section? -- Bwijn 19:20, 27 July 2013 (CEST)

Not sure, but a simple solution is to just make a backup copy of Crawl before you try it. Just copy the whole directory/folder somewhere safe. If it works, delete the backup if you don't want to feel like you're savescumming. -Ion frigate 02:36, 28 July 2013 (CEST)

Backgrounds

Just curious why the background article is separate from the list of backgrounds. There is probably a good reason for this I'm just foolishly not seeing it. If not, any thoughts about merging the two? One article to reference both doesn't look overly large. Buddy23Lee 01:27, 3 August 2013 (CEST)

No reason at all! At least no substantial one. A lot of the original site framework has just stuck around due to being grandfathered in, and if it looks unreasonable, there is a good (but not 100%) chance that it's just been overlooked by others all this time. I think merging those two tiny pages makes sense, with List of backgrounds being turned into a redirect to Backgrounds#List of Backgrounds. Knock yourself out BL. --MoogleDan 02:09, 3 August 2013 (CEST)

Thanks MoogleDan. I just wanted to make sure those types of merges aren't too controversial. I'm still trying to figure out if this wiki is better off with fewer, more centralized articles, or a larger number of smaller, more specific articles. Maybe I'm just overthinking things? Buddy23Lee 02:18, 3 August 2013 (CEST)

Unnamed areas in 0.13a

I took the stairs down to Spider's Nest:3 (had been there before) and stumbled upon an area of transparent green-rimmed fields that hadn't been there the last visit. No, the phenomen is NOT a status effect like Silence creates it. A right click description gives nothing but 'the floor'. It is a0-2632 trunk-version. Anyone who can give an explanation or clearing hint? -- Bwijn 08:52, 13 August 2013 (CEST)

I believe that'd be the aura from a moth of suppression. --spudwalt 09:22, 13 August 2013 (CEST)

MediaWiki engine upgrade and new extensions

Yesterday our server administrator (User:Epyon) upgraded our version of MediaWiki, the software that runs Crawl Wiki. We now have some new extensions including Parser Functions, Pipe Escape, Scribundo and Semantic MediaWiki. Other new stuff can be seen at Special:Version. --Flun (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2013 (CEST)

Excellent news! --CommanderC (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2013 (CEST)

The Cite extension has also been added. This allows us to use the <ref> and <references /> tag for easier citing. --Flun (talk) 14:49, 16 August 2013 (CEST)

It seems that there is something broken after the upgrade. I tried to upload a file and got this error message:

Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/7/70.

--CommanderC (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2013 (CEST)

Looks like its fixed now. --Flun (talk) 20:28, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

Item articles reconciliation

I was thinking of trying to merge Item with Items as they are obviously trying to describe the same thing. Does anyone care if I change Items into a redirect of Item? It's a decent length article, but looks like it's just copy & pasted content at present. --Buddy23Lee (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2013 (CEST)

No need to ask. --CommanderC (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2013 (CEST)

Opening up registrations/edits

Just curious, are we still planning to open up the registrations/edits? And if so, in which form? --Lokkij (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

Kornel said he is still looking into it... not sure when it will come =/ --Flun (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2013 (CEST)

One thing we could try is to create an account (called Anonymous or AnonymousUser) with a public password that would be available in the main page. I don't know if it will work, but if it doesn't it should be easy to cancel that account, or change its password and announce the new password in a less visible place. --CommanderC (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2014 (CEST)

Joining a clan in tournament

I'm considering to join a clan leader in tournament 0.13. Possible up to 19th Octobre says the online rule page. I'm not knowing anyone (beyond the available stats at http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.13/players/). Is it enough to write the clan captain's name in my rc file? Will he perceive that? Are there other ways to ask someone suitable in the list. Naturally I'm quite modest and won't ask a team that is in the top ten of clans. -- Bwijn (talk) 19:11, 18 October 2013 (CEST)

Yep! Write it like the first line in my rc --Flun (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2013 (CEST)

I chose Clan *Silence of the Lamias* and wrote # Teamcaptain Drone in my rc file. Just like I remembered of last year. If I did copy/adapt your first line I would make myeself a team captain, isn't it? -- Bwijn (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2013 (CEST)

Yep, here is your clan profile.--Flun (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2013 (CEST)

new version pictures' repository

Where would I have to look for the decks icon images? They are missing a while now. Developers' image (new version) repository is where? - BTW this Community portal page could have another archivising clean up, isn't it? It's filled with old stuff. -- Bwijn (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2013 (CET)

In the source code. They are created dynamically by combining several images in the source/rltiles/item/misc folder. --CommanderC (talk) 21:15, 4 November 2013 (CET)

Thank you for the location. I downloaded the pictures under "raw". But they seem to give only the deck type specific symbols. The deck frame picture is not included. - Further on I found out: the [[Template:Item]] is the right one. There you find the lines: "! align="left" | Icon | 32px". I'm not sure how to insert the correct pagename.png. Please help out experienced operators! -- Bwijn (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2013 (CET)

There are three base images. One for each kind of deck: plain (misc_deck.png), ornate (misc_deck_rare.png), and legendary (misc_deck_legendary.png). I have used the plain one. The way to obtain the correct names was clicking the red links. --CommanderC (talk) 23:46, 4 November 2013 (CET)

DECj guide

Hi everyone! I'm new here, but I'd like to share my playing experience, so I've made this guide: MistyMan's Deep Elf Conjurer of Vehumet guide. If people think it can be useful I'll put up appropriate interwiki.--MistyMan (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2013 (CET)

Development stop?

I noticed that since 26 february 2014 no new 0.14a trunk versions have been published. Anybody of you who knows background? Has development completely stoped? Major devel team breakdown? Creative timeout only? -- Bwijn (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2014 (CET)

CDO was migrated to new servers starting then, and still is in the process of being migrated. I'm guessing that putting out nightly builds is something that is still being migrated. It also may be a lower priority, since the stable release of 0.14 is coming up soon (so 0.14a is about to branch off into 0.15 and 0.14 anyway). But development is definitely still ongoing, and I imagine that if you play online you can get access to the latest trunk. -Ion frigate (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2014 (CET)

Thank you, Ion! Looking up for the new 0.14 stable today was a disappointment. The official Download section tells: "Latest stable release 0.13.2"! But the changelog that can be found is: "Stone Soup 0.13.1 (20131128)". And still no new trunk versions since 26 february 2014. There must be a serious lack of manpower or of any care for responsible documentation /communication. -- Bwijn (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

Merge community, community portal pages project

In order to facilitate this, would anyone have a problem if I renamed this particular page to Community Discussions and renamed the existing Community page to Community Portal? It seems like that would make a bit more sense since this page is less of an entry and more of a focused section.

Merging sounds like a good idea. My suggestion would be to put the stuff in Community in CrawlWiki:Community portal article and the discussions currently on Community Portal go into CrawlWiki_talk:Community portal talk page.--Flun (talk) 15:45, 2 May 2014 (CEST)

Okay, I've performed the merge so we should be good to go ahead and remove the old Community page now.--DC_Malleus (talk) 03:17, 5 May 2014 (CEST)