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Djinn train all magic skills equally, at +11 aptitude. For single-school spells, this is roughly equivalent to having a -2 aptitude. Since you train every skill at once, however, a dual-school spell is trained at a relative ''+2'' aptitude (around the level of [[Deep Elves]]!). As a good chunk of spells are dual-school, Djinn are often ahead of skill curve, not behind.
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Djinn train all magic skills equally, at +11 aptitude. For single-school spells, this is roughly equivalent to having a -2 aptitude. But Djinn train dual-school spells at a relative ''+2'' aptitude - around the level of [[Deep Elves]] - since all schools are trained at once. As a good chunk of spells are dual-school, Djinn are often ahead of skill curve, not behind.
  
 
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'''List of gods, sorted by "when you get the first strong perk".'''
  
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'''Gods that benefit you on first worship:'''
|+tyle="text-align: center"|'''[[Willpower]] & [[XL]] required for 0% paralysis against common monsters'''
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*[[Ignis]] (Ignis)
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*[[Lugonu]] (Exit the Abyss)
!Monster !! Req'd [[Will]] !! [[Human]] (+3 Will/XL) !! [[Ogre]] (+4 Will/XL) !! [[Mummy]] (+5 Will/XL) !! [[Felid]] (+6 Will/XL) !! [[Spriggan]] (+7 Will/XL)  
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*[[Uskayaw]] (Uskayaw)
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*[[Yred]] (Reaping; resets on new floor)
|[[Orc sorcerer]] || 135 || XL 19 + Will++<br>External Will+++ || XL 14 + Will++ || XL 19 + Will+<br>XL 11 + Will++ || XL 16 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 20<br>XL 14 + Will+
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'''Gods that benefit you at 1*:'''
|[[Ogre mage]] || 139 || XL 20 + Will++<br>External Will+++ || XL 15 + Will++ || XL 20 + Will+<br>XL 12 + Will++ || XL 17 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 20<br>XL 15 + Will+
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*[[Ashenzari]] (ID items)
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*[[Gozag]] (Potion Pet)
|[[Vampire knight]] || 143 || XL 21 + Will++<br>External Will+++ || XL 16 + Will++ || XL 21 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 24<br>XL 18 + Will+ || XL 21<br>XL 15 + Will+
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*[[Hep]] (Ancestor)
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*[[Nemelex]] (1st set of cards)
|[[Great orb of eyes]] || 147 || XL 23 + Will++<br>External Will+++ || XL 17 + Will++ || XL 22 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 25<br>XL 18 + Will+ || XL 21<br>XL 16 + Will+
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*[[Okawaru]] (Heroism)
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*[[Trog]] (Berserk)
|[[Sphinx]] || 154 || XL 25 + Will++<br>External Will+++ || XL 19 + Will++ || XL 23 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 19 + Will+ || XL 22<br>XL 17 + Will+
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*[[Sif Muna]] (MP recovery)
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|[[Dread lich]] || 167 || External Will+++ || XL 22 + Will++ || XL 26 + Will+<br>XL 18 + Will++ || XL 22 + Will+<br>External Will++ || XL 24<br>XL 19 + Will+
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IMO these gods don't provide good benefit at 1*, but provide ''some'' benefit - Ely Purification, Zin Recite, Makh heal on kill,  WJC Lunge/Whirlwind, TSO halo, Dith stealth
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'''Gods that benefit you at 2*:'''
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*[[Beogh]] (Smite)
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*[[Elyvilon]] (Heal Other)
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*[[Fedhas]] (Briars)
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*[[Qazlal]] (Upheaval)
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'''Gods that benefit you at 3* or more:'''
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*[[Kiku]] (Variable; based on skill training)
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*[[Vehumet]] (Variable; based on skill training)
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*[[Makhleb]] (3*; Lesser Servant)
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*[[Ru]] (3*; Draw Out Power)
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*[[WJC]] (3*; Serpent's Lash)
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*[[Zin]] (3*; Imprison)
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*[[Dithmenos]] (4*; Shadow Mimic)
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*[[TSO]] (5*; Angels)
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'''Gods that hurt you on first worship:'''
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*[[Chei]] (Slow)
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*[[Jiyva]] (Eats items, usually comes late)
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*[[Xom]] (Xom)
  
'''Reading the table:'''
 
*This table lists combinations of XL and ''external'' willpower that reaches 0% success rate. In-game, willpower is measured in units of "Will+", but willpower is actually a number ranging from 0-200, each Will+ is equal to 40. Every level, you gain a small amount of will, depending on your species.
 
*A [[Human]] requires XL 19 and 2 [[rings of willpower]] (or any 2 sources of Will+) to reach 0% success against [[orc sorcerer]]s. A human at XL 19 that displays Will++ in the '''%''' screen does ''not'' resist an orc sorcerer.
 
*Some cases of low XL are omitted for brevity; Humans technically require XL 5 with external Will+++ to resist an orc sorcerer. But if you're fighting an orc sorcerer at XL 4, you have bigger problems.
 
*For absolute safety, make sure to '''x v''' a monster so that it actually has 0% success.
 
  
Monsters have a spellpower of <code>4 * [[HD]]</code>, and for a hex to have a 0% success chance, you need <code>99 + spellpower</code> willpower. But there is a stepdown for stronger monsters.
 
 
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Revision as of 14:04, 18 August 2023

Relevant credentials: Hordes (greaterplayer) | Moriya (greaterplayer #2) | HorDDes (tournament)


User:Hordes/Guide

User:Hordes/Basics Guide

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Djinn train all magic skills equally, at +11 aptitude. For single-school spells, this is roughly equivalent to having a -2 aptitude. But Djinn train dual-school spells at a relative +2 aptitude - around the level of Deep Elves - since all schools are trained at once. As a good chunk of spells are dual-school, Djinn are often ahead of skill curve, not behind.


List of gods, sorted by "when you get the first strong perk".

Gods that benefit you on first worship:

Gods that benefit you at 1*:

IMO these gods don't provide good benefit at 1*, but provide some benefit - Ely Purification, Zin Recite, Makh heal on kill, WJC Lunge/Whirlwind, TSO halo, Dith stealth

Gods that benefit you at 2*:

Gods that benefit you at 3* or more:

  • Kiku (Variable; based on skill training)
  • Vehumet (Variable; based on skill training)
  • Makhleb (3*; Lesser Servant)
  • Ru (3*; Draw Out Power)
  • WJC (3*; Serpent's Lash)
  • Zin (3*; Imprison)
  • Dithmenos (4*; Shadow Mimic)
  • TSO (5*; Angels)

Gods that hurt you on first worship:

  • Chei (Slow)
  • Jiyva (Eats items, usually comes late)
  • Xom (Xom)



When you start with a melee-oriented background, you'll get a starting weapon of choice.

Simple Starting Weapon

Used by most weapon-wielding backgrounds.

  • Short sword1.png Short sword - Short Blades aren't great at regular combat, though they are good at stabbing. Uses dexterity instead of strength.
  • Mace1.png Mace - Maces & Flails are the strongest "strength" weapon, at least in terms of stats.
  • Hand axe1.png Hand axe - Axes have the ability to cleave. In addition to hitting a "main" target for 100% damage, they'll hit every monster adjacent to you for 70% damage. However, axes deal less damage than other weapons.
  • Spear1.png Spear - Polearms have reaching - they can attack from an extra tile away. Despite their worse stats, spears are the best option to fight single targets, due to their extra range.
  • Falchion1.png Falchion - Long Blades are similar to Maces; higher base damage, but no gimmick. They use dexterity instead of strength.
  • Glove1.png Unarmed Combat - Unarmed Combat is usually the weakest of the available "weapons". Certain species, like Trolls and Ghouls, receive special bonuses to Unarmed attacks. Unarmed can become strong at high skill, but that's a long while away.

Good Starting Weapon

Fighters and Gladiators start with a better ("good") starting weapon than other backgrounds.

  • Rapier1.png Rapier - Short Blades are good at stabbing, but weaker at plain combat. Rapiers are the only "good" weapon that stats below 1.0 attack delay, meaning monsters won't get a chance to hit you twice.
  • Flail1.png Flail - Maces & Flails have higher base damage, but no special gimmicks.
  • War axe1.png War axe - Axes can cleave, but deal less single-target damage. Great option for strong species, like Hill Orcs and Minotaurs.
  • Trident1.png Trident - Polearms can attack from a tile away. Like the spear before it, tridents are usually the best option against single targets.
  • Long sword1.png Long sword - Long swords are slightly more powerful than flails, though long swords use dexterity instead of strength.
  • Quarterstaff.png Quarterstaff - Quarterstaves deal more damage/turn than any other option, but they are two-handed, meaning you can't wear a shield with one. Because of this restriction, only Gladiators and Formicid Fighters can start with one. In addition, Staves are rarer than other weapon types.
  • Glove1.png Unarmed Combat - Unarmed Combat is usually the weakest of the available "weapons". Certain species, like Trolls and Ghouls, receive special bonuses to Unarmed attacks. Unarmed can become strong at high skill, but that's a long while away.

Strategy