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(The rest of the page is just writing stuff that's WIP)
Djinn have +11 aptitudes in magic, but are forced to train all skills equally. At the start of the game, this equates to training a single school at a -3.3 aptitude. But by the time a caster reaches mid-game, their effective aptitude is higher than -3 in practice.[1] And, since every school is trained at once, dual- and triple-school spells are very easy to train. Overall, a dedicated mage will not have trouble casting spells.
Tengu are a versatile, but frail species. Their aptitudes are good across the board, with impeccably good skill in Conjurations and Air Magic. And with 2 auxiliary attacks, melee is not out of the question. However, Tengu are among the most fragile species in the game: they have -20% HP and can't wear helmets/boots.
Note that, despite being described as "agile" and "light", Tengu do not get any special bonus from the Dodging skill. It is true that Acrobatic and Evasive Flight grant EV, however, these bonuses are unaffected by skill or armour encumbrance. Therefore, wearing heavy armour is not out of the question.
There are two penalties associated with body armour base AC. These do not impact the bonus from Armour skill.
- If you have the Deformed or Psudeopods mutations, subtract
<body armour base AC> * 0.5AC. These mutations do not stack with each other. - If you are in Blade Form and under 19 Shapeshifting skill, subtract
<body armour base AC> * (19 - Shapeshifting) / 10AC.
If you have Deformed/Psuedopods and are in Blade Form, the modifiers stack, resulting in a total loss of <body armour base AC> * 0.5 * (Shapeshifting - 19) / 10 AC. In any case, you can only lose up to your body armour base AC.
| Form | Min Dmg | Max Dmg | Min Skill | Max Skill | Dmg/level | Special |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Normal | 3 | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||
| Beast | 3 | 0 | 7 | N/A | Extra slaying to all melee combat | |
| Flux | 3 | 6 | 13 | N/A | ×66% melee damage; contaminating melee | |
| Blade | 14 | 18 | 10 | 19 | 0.88 | Extra offhand punch damage |
| Maw | 5 | 10 | 19 | N/A | Maw auxiliary attack | |
| Serpent | 10 | 10 | 19 | N/A | Constriction | |
| Dragon | 24 | 33 | 16 | 25 | 1 | +10 strength; 2 auxiliary attacks |
| Statue | 12 | 10 | 19 | N/A | ×150% melee damage; all actions ×150% slower | |
| Storm | 24 | 30 | 23 | 27 | 1.5 | Electrocution brand; cleaving |
| Death | 9 | 23 | 27 | N/A | Melee inflicts drain, slow, weak | |
Talisman Forms:
| Form | Skill | Melded Gear | Offense | Defense | Resist | Other |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Beast Form | 0-7 | Helmet Cloak Gloves Boots |
+0-4 slaying in melee | 100% HP | - | - |
| Wisp Form | 6-14 | Weapon & shield Body armour |
×66% melee dmg First hit on foe: Corona Third hit on foe: malmutate, extra damage |
100% HP +4 EV |
- | Cannot go invisible ×0.4 stealth |
| Blade Form | 10-19 | Weapon & shield Gloves |
15-19 UC base damage +Offhand punch damage |
100% HP Lose 100%-0% AC from body armour |
- | - |
| Maw Form | 10-19 | Body armour | 5 UC base damage Maw auxiliary attack |
100% HP | - | Heal on kill |
| Serpent Form | 10-19 | Weapon & shield All armour |
10 UC base damage Constriction +5 strength |
120% HP 9-15 AC |
rPois Amphibious |
Sets move delay to 1.0 Cold blooded Large |
| Dragon Form | 16-23 | Weapon & shield All armour |
24-33 UC base damage 2 auxiliary attacks +10 strength |
150% HP 12-18 AC |
rF++ rC- rPois |
Breathe Fire ability Sets move delay to 1.0 Giant, Flying |
| Statue Form | 16-23 | Body armour Gloves Boots |
12 UC base damage ×150% melee dmg |
130% HP 27-38 AC |
rPois∞ rElec rTorm rPetrify Nonliving |
All actions ×150% slower Sets move delay to 1.0 (slowed to 1.5) Vuln. to LRD/Shatter |
| Death Form | 23-27 | None | 9 UC base damage Melee inflicts slow, drained, weak |
100% HP | rC+ rPois∞ rN+++ rTorm∞ Will+ Undead |
Siphon Essence ability |
| Storm Form | 23-27 | Weapon & shield All armour |
24-30 UC base damage Electrocution, cleaving |
100% HP 12-15 AC +20-27 EV |
rPois∞ rElec Insubstantial |
Blinkbolt ability Sets move delay to 1.0 Flying |
Bad Forms:
| Form | Melded Gear | Offense | Defense | Resist | Other |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bat Form | Weapon & shield All armour Rings |
1 UC base damage 20% dmg from skill |
100% HP | - | Move delay set to 0.6 No spellcasting Tiny, Flying |
| Fungus Form | Weapon & shield All armour Rings |
12 UC base damage Confusion melee |
100% HP | rPois rTorm∞ |
Move delay set to 1.0 Cannot move if foe in sight Tiny |
| Pig Form | Weapon & shield All armour Rings |
1 UC base damage 20% dmg from skill |
100% HP | - | Move delay set to 0.7 No spellcasting Little |
| Tree Form | All armour | 12 UC base damage | 150% HP 20 + XL/2 AC EV = 2 |
rPois rTorm∞ rDrown |
Cannot move Cannot teleport or blink |
| Wisp Form | Weapon & shield All armour All jewellery |
5 + XL/2 UC | 100% HP 5 + XL/2 AC |
rF++ rC++ rPois∞ rElec rN+++ rTorm rCorr Insubstantial |
No spellcasting Flying |
Misc Forms:
| Form | Melded Gear | Offense | Defense | Resist | Other |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shadow Form | None | ×50% melee dmg Spellpower-- |
100% HP ×50% damage taken Invisible |
rPois∞ rN+++ rTorm∞ Will∞ rPetrify |
Create smoke when damaged Drained when damaged ×2 stealth |
List of gods, sorted by "when you get the first strong perk". (IMO)
Gods that benefit you on first worship:
Gozag has gold distraction (maybe worth listing here?), Fedhas pacifies sleepcaps
Gods that benefit you at 1*:
- Ashenzari (ID items)
- Gozag (Potion Pet)
- Hep (Ancestor)
- Nemelex (1st set of cards)
- Okawaru (Heroism)
- Trog (Berserk)
- Sif Muna (MP recovery)
- TSO (Halo, Divine Shield)
IMO these gods don't provide good benefit at 1*, but provide some benefit: Ely Purification, Zin Recite, Makh heal on kill, WJC Lunge/Whirlwind, Dith stealth, Kiku Wretches (hard to use w/o good spell).
Gods that benefit you at 2*:
Gods that benefit you at 3* or more:
- Kiku (Variable; based on skill training)
- Vehumet (Variable; based on skill training)
- Makhleb (3*; Lesser Servant)
- Ru (3*; Draw Out Power)
- WJC (3*; Serpent's Lash)
- Zin (3*; Imprison)
- Dithmenos (4*; Shadow Mimic)
Gods that hurt you on first worship:
When you start with a melee-oriented background, you'll get a starting weapon of choice.
Simple Starting Weapon
Used by most weapon-wielding backgrounds.
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Short sword - Short Blades aren't great at regular combat, though they are good at stabbing. Uses dexterity instead of strength. -
Mace - Maces & Flails are the strongest "strength" weapon, at least in terms of stats. -
Hand axe - Axes have the ability to cleave. In addition to hitting a "main" target for 100% damage, they'll hit every monster adjacent to you for 70% damage. However, axes deal less damage than other weapons. -
Spear - Polearms have reaching - they can attack from an extra tile away. Despite their worse stats, spears are the best option to fight single targets, due to their extra range. -
Falchion - Long Blades are similar to Maces; higher base damage, but no gimmick. They use dexterity instead of strength. -
Unarmed Combat - Unarmed Combat is usually the weakest of the available "weapons". Certain species, like Trolls and Ghouls, receive special bonuses to Unarmed attacks. Unarmed can become strong at high skill, but that's a long while away.
Good Starting Weapon
Fighters and Gladiators start with a better ("good") starting weapon than other backgrounds.
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Rapier - Short Blades are good at stabbing, but weaker at plain combat. Rapiers are the only "good" weapon that stats below 1.0 attack delay, meaning monsters won't get a chance to hit you twice. -
Flail - Maces & Flails have higher base damage, but no special gimmicks. -
War axe - Axes can cleave, but deal less single-target damage. Great option for strong species, like Hill Orcs and Minotaurs. -
Trident - Polearms can attack from a tile away. Like the spear before it, tridents are usually the best option against single targets. -
Long sword - Long swords are slightly more powerful than flails, though long swords use dexterity instead of strength. -
Quarterstaff - Quarterstaves deal more damage/turn than any other option, but they are two-handed, meaning you can't wear a shield with one. Because of this restriction, only Gladiators and Formicid Fighters can start with one. In addition, Staves are rarer than other weapon types. - Unarmed Combat - Unarmed Combat is usually the weakest of the available "weapons". Certain species, like Trolls and Ghouls, receive special bonuses to Unarmed attacks. Unarmed can become strong at high skill, but that's a long while away.
Strategy
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Djinn split XP between 12 skills at a +11 aptitude. As XP cost =
2^(-apt/4), each skill costs2^(-11/4) * 12= 1.78x the XP of a single skill. This equates to training a single "skill" at-4 * log2(1.78)= -3.32 aptitude. However, this "skill" includes both [every Spell School] and Spellcasting. Once you that into account, Djinn are better than a -3.32 aptitude suggests. Say you want to cast a Conjurations spell:- If you were playing a Kobold and only cared about spell power, you would train to {5 Spellcasting, 15 Conjurations}. This would cost 7275 skill points.
- A Djinn would reach the same amount of power at {13 Spellcasting, 13 Conjurations}. Each of the 12 skills costs 713 skill points, or 8556 skill points in total. This is only +17.6% more XP than the Kobold, or a -0.9 aptitude. This happens because going from 12 -> 13 in a skill is cheaper than going from 14 -> 15 in a skill.
- In practice, spell power isn't everything. The Kobold may want to train more Spellcasting, for either MP or spell level purposes. Said Kobold at {10 Spellcasting, 13.5 Conjurations} would reach the same power, but at a cost of 7913 skill points. Because Djinn don't need to spend XP for MP or spell levels, they can invest more into spell power.
