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− | + | ''This page is about the player [[species]]. For the monster, see [[Ogre (monster)]]. For a list of all monstrous ogres, see [[List of ogres]].'' | |
− | {{flavour|Ogres are huge, chunky creatures who | + | {{flavour|Ogres are huge, chunky creatures who are very strong and robust, but are not nimble at all. They possess a raw talent for magic, but are poor at making use of magical devices. Ogres mature almost as quickly as Humans. |
− | Their preferred methods of avoiding beatings are dodging and the use of shields. | + | Their preferred methods of avoiding beatings are dodging and the use of shields, but they can also use armours made from magical hides, since these accommodate their large frames. Ogres are proficient at using all types of melee weapons, yet all sophisticated forms of missile combat are too awkward for them. They are, however, good at throwing things, in particular boulders.}} |
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==Innate Abilities== | ==Innate Abilities== | ||
− | *[[ | + | *Ogres are '''[[Size#Player Sizes|large]]''' species: |
− | + | **Like all large creatures, they receive an [[EV]] and [[Dodging]] penalty. | |
− | + | **Unlike regular sized species, they can use [[giant club]]s, [[giant spiked club]]s, and [[large rock]]s. | |
+ | **Their bodies do not fit into [[boots]], [[gloves]], [[helmet]]s, or most [[body armour]] (they can only wear [[robe]]s, [[animal skin]]s, [[troll leather armour]], and [[dragon scales]]). In addition, [[buckler]]s are too small for them to use. | ||
+ | **They can attack and move normally in [[shallow water]]. | ||
+ | *'''[[Tough_Skin|Tough Skin 1]]''': Ogres have +1 [[AC]]. | ||
− | Ogres have a base [[Strength]] of | + | Ogres have a base [[Strength]] of 11, [[Intelligence]] of 9, and [[Dexterity]] of 4 (before Background modifiers) and normal base [[magic points]]. |
==Preferred Backgrounds== | ==Preferred Backgrounds== | ||
− | *'''Warriors:''' [[ | + | *'''Warriors:''' [[Gladiator]] |
− | *'''Zealots:''' [[Berserker]] | + | *'''Zealots:''' [[Berserker]], [[Cinder Acolyte]] |
− | + | *'''Mages:''' [[Hedge Wizard]], [[Fire Elementalist]], [[Air Elementalist]] | |
− | *'''Mages:''' [[Wizard]], [[Fire Elementalist]] | ||
==Level Bonuses== | ==Level Bonuses== | ||
*+1 [[strength]] every 3rd level. | *+1 [[strength]] every 3rd level. | ||
*30% more [[hit points]] than average. | *30% more [[hit points]] than average. | ||
− | *+4 [[ | + | *+4 [[willpower]] per level. |
==Starting Skills and Equipment== | ==Starting Skills and Equipment== | ||
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*Incompatible body armour is replaced with an [[animal skin]] or [[robe]]. | *Incompatible body armour is replaced with an [[animal skin]] or [[robe]]. | ||
*[[Helmet]]s are replaced with [[hat]]s. | *[[Helmet]]s are replaced with [[hat]]s. | ||
− | *[[ | + | *[[Buckler]]s are replaced with [[kite shield]]s. |
*Any [[Armour]] skill is replaced by [[Dodging]]. | *Any [[Armour]] skill is replaced by [[Dodging]]. | ||
− | * | + | *[[Javelin]]s are replaced with [[large rock]]s. |
==Difficulty of Play== | ==Difficulty of Play== | ||
{{Moderate}} | {{Moderate}} | ||
− | Ogres | + | Ogres have a number of advantages, offset by a similar amount of disadvantages. They have immense HP, and train Fighting faster than any other species. But for a good chunk of the game, Ogres have miserable [[AC]] (can't wear most armour) and [[EV]] (large size, poor dex). On the flip side, they are one of the few species that can wield [[giant club]]s and throw [[large rock]]s. |
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+ | Ogres make for good spellcasters, being a large, +30% HP race which is adept at learning magic. They learn all schools equally well, with good Spellcasting skill, and a very minor (-1) aptitude penalty to the other magic schools. | ||
{{species_aptitudes|Ogre}} | {{species_aptitudes|Ogre}} | ||
==Strategy== | ==Strategy== | ||
− | + | Ogres have many different options for skill training: | |
− | + | *[[Large rock]]s are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common and less likely to [[mulch]] than [[javelin]]s and [[boomerang]]s, ''combined''.<ref>[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SfdqTkjUkQ9kB9hyJTqt7grYzSDibv-XpPbEEFinCQ/edit#gid=523653744 Objstats 0.29 (Spider + Shoals)]</ref> | |
− | + | *[[Giant club]]s and [[giant spiked club]]s are the strongest melee weapons, but they aren't without drawbacks. Giant clubs are two-handed, which means no shield. This can be an issue, especially as Ogres are often stuck with low AC and low EV. They also take considerable skill training to use effectively. | |
− | + | *Ogres are one of the best choices for a high-durability caster. They have +30% HP, but limited body armour, as well as decent magical aptitudes. They work well as both "pure" casters and hybrids. | |
− | + | Other than that, Ogres generally like [[shield]]s, as their high strength helps deal with the encumbrance. | |
− | == | + | ==History== |
− | *[[ | + | *In [[0.31]], Ogres were replaced with [[Oni]], a similar large-sized species. |
− | *[[ | + | *Prior to [[0.30]], [[size#Large|large]] species, including ogres, could wield [[shield]]s more easily, received slightly less SH from [[kite shield]]s, and moved slowly in shallow water. |
+ | *Prior to [[0.29]], Ogres had a -2 [[Shields]] aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28. | ||
+ | *Prior to [[0.20]], Ogres had +3 [[Maces & Flails]] aptitude, and were much worse with magic skills. In 0.20 they were reworked to make their weapon choice less of a "no-brainer" and allow easier access to magic skills. | ||
+ | *Prior to [[0.16]], Ogres started with an extra [[bread ration]]. Also, ogre hunters and artificers began with a [[club]] instead of a [[short sword]]. | ||
+ | *Prior to [[0.15]], Ogres had [[Saprovore]] 1 and [[Fast Metabolism]]. | ||
+ | *Prior to [[0.13]], Ogre Hunters and Artificers began with a [[short sword]] instead of a [[club]]. | ||
− | == | + | ==References== |
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Latest revision as of 03:56, 15 January 2024
This page is about the player species. For the monster, see Ogre (monster). For a list of all monstrous ogres, see List of ogres.
Ogres are huge, chunky creatures who are very strong and robust, but are not nimble at all. They possess a raw talent for magic, but are poor at making use of magical devices. Ogres mature almost as quickly as Humans.
Their preferred methods of avoiding beatings are dodging and the use of shields, but they can also use armours made from magical hides, since these accommodate their large frames. Ogres are proficient at using all types of melee weapons, yet all sophisticated forms of missile combat are too awkward for them. They are, however, good at throwing things, in particular boulders. |
Contents
Innate Abilities
- Ogres are large species:
- Like all large creatures, they receive an EV and Dodging penalty.
- Unlike regular sized species, they can use giant clubs, giant spiked clubs, and large rocks.
- Their bodies do not fit into boots, gloves, helmets, or most body armour (they can only wear robes, animal skins, troll leather armour, and dragon scales). In addition, bucklers are too small for them to use.
- They can attack and move normally in shallow water.
- Tough Skin 1: Ogres have +1 AC.
Ogres have a base Strength of 11, Intelligence of 9, and Dexterity of 4 (before Background modifiers) and normal base magic points.
Preferred Backgrounds
- Warriors: Gladiator
- Zealots: Berserker, Cinder Acolyte
- Mages: Hedge Wizard, Fire Elementalist, Air Elementalist
Level Bonuses
- +1 strength every 3rd level.
- 30% more hit points than average.
- +4 willpower per level.
Starting Skills and Equipment
Ogres start with the skills and equipment listed for their background, with the following exceptions:
- Incompatible body armour is replaced with an animal skin or robe.
- Helmets are replaced with hats.
- Bucklers are replaced with kite shields.
- Any Armour skill is replaced by Dodging.
- Javelins are replaced with large rocks.
Difficulty of Play
Simple • Intermediate • Advanced |
Ogres have a number of advantages, offset by a similar amount of disadvantages. They have immense HP, and train Fighting faster than any other species. But for a good chunk of the game, Ogres have miserable AC (can't wear most armour) and EV (large size, poor dex). On the flip side, they are one of the few species that can wield giant clubs and throw large rocks.
Ogres make for good spellcasters, being a large, +30% HP race which is adept at learning magic. They learn all schools equally well, with good Spellcasting skill, and a very minor (-1) aptitude penalty to the other magic schools.
Skill aptitudes
The higher the value, the better the aptitude.
Skill | Aptitude | Skill | Aptitude | Skill | Aptitude |
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Attack | Miscellaneous | Magic | |||
Fighting | 3 | Armour | -2 | Spellcasting | 1 |
Dodging | -1 | ||||
Maces & Flails | -1 | Shields | 0 | Conjurations | -1 |
Axes | 0 | Stealth | -2 | Hexes | -1 |
Polearms | 0 | Summonings | -1 | ||
Staves | 0 | Invocations | 1 | Necromancy | -1 |
Unarmed Combat | -1 | Evocations | -2 | Translocations | -1 |
Throwing | 0 | Shapeshifting | -1 | Alchemy | -1 |
Fire Magic | -1 | ||||
Short Blades | -1 | Ice Magic | -1 | ||
Long Blades | -1 | Air Magic | -1 | ||
Ranged Weapons | -3 | Experience | 0 | Earth Magic | -1 |
Strategy
Ogres have many different options for skill training:
- Large rocks are deadly. An unskilled user takes 20 aut to throw one - that's 2 full turns. But even at 0 skill, they can be used to kill melee enemies (just mind the delay). A highly skilled user will throw large rocks quickly, which can be devastating. As a side benefit, large rocks are more common and less likely to mulch than javelins and boomerangs, combined.[1]
- Giant clubs and giant spiked clubs are the strongest melee weapons, but they aren't without drawbacks. Giant clubs are two-handed, which means no shield. This can be an issue, especially as Ogres are often stuck with low AC and low EV. They also take considerable skill training to use effectively.
- Ogres are one of the best choices for a high-durability caster. They have +30% HP, but limited body armour, as well as decent magical aptitudes. They work well as both "pure" casters and hybrids.
Other than that, Ogres generally like shields, as their high strength helps deal with the encumbrance.
History
- In 0.31, Ogres were replaced with Oni, a similar large-sized species.
- Prior to 0.30, large species, including ogres, could wield shields more easily, received slightly less SH from kite shields, and moved slowly in shallow water.
- Prior to 0.29, Ogres had a -2 Shields aptitude. This was buffed due to the nerf to large-size shield wearing in 0.28.
- Prior to 0.20, Ogres had +3 Maces & Flails aptitude, and were much worse with magic skills. In 0.20 they were reworked to make their weapon choice less of a "no-brainer" and allow easier access to magic skills.
- Prior to 0.16, Ogres started with an extra bread ration. Also, ogre hunters and artificers began with a club instead of a short sword.
- Prior to 0.15, Ogres had Saprovore 1 and Fast Metabolism.
- Prior to 0.13, Ogre Hunters and Artificers began with a short sword instead of a club.
References
Species | |
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Simple | Mountain Dwarf • Minotaur • Merfolk • Gargoyle • Draconian • Troll • Deep Elf • Armataur • Gnoll |
Intermediate | Human • Kobold • Demonspawn • Djinni • Spriggan • Ghoul • Tengu • Oni • Barachi |
Advanced | Coglin • Vine Stalker • Vampire • Demigod • Formicid • Naga • Octopode • Felid • Mummy |