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− | ''Crawl'' presents the player and character with a potentially bewildering array of [[weapon]] choices. However, when all the dust clears and the parade of short swords, demon whips, and clubs has passed by, weapons have six main properties: | + | ''Crawl'' presents the player and character with a potentially bewildering array of '''[[weapon]] choices'''. However, when all the dust clears and the parade of short swords, demon whips, and clubs has passed by, weapons have six main properties: |
*Damage: How much damage, on average, the weapon does per strike. | *Damage: How much damage, on average, the weapon does per strike. | ||
*Accuracy: How likely the weapon is to actually hit. | *Accuracy: How likely the weapon is to actually hit. | ||
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*Handedness: Whether the weapon requires one or two hands to use. | *Handedness: Whether the weapon requires one or two hands to use. | ||
*Skill: How fast your [[species]] can learn to use the weapon. | *Skill: How fast your [[species]] can learn to use the weapon. | ||
− | *Special: | + | *Special: Weapons like have unique traits that distinguish them from the others. |
− | + | As a rough rule, you'll want the weapon that deals the most damage/turn, to the largest set of monsters, without too much investment. You may also consider factors like [[shield]] and special properties. | |
==Properties== | ==Properties== | ||
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===Damage=== | ===Damage=== | ||
− | + | For most weapons, the damage formula is approximately: | |
− | Damage = 1d(base damage × stat bonus) × skill bonus + ( | + | Damage = 1d(base damage × stat bonus) × skill bonus + 1d(weapon [[enchant]] + [[slaying]]) |
− | + | You can see this damage rating in-game by viewing the weapon in the '''i'''nventory. | |
+ | * Stat bonus = +2.5% per point of either [[strength]] or [[dexterity]], with a base of 100% at 10 str/dex. Which stat depends on the weapon type. | ||
+ | * Skill bonus = combined damage bonus of [[Fighting]] and weapon skill. Fighting adds +1.67% dmg/level, weapon adds +2% dmg/level, these bonuses are multiplied. | ||
+ | * Weapon enchant is the "+9" of a +9 broad axe. | ||
− | + | For Unarmed Combat and Throwing, the formula is slightly adjusted: | |
+ | Damage = 1d([base damage + skill] × stat bonus) × fighting bonus + 1d(weapon enchant + slaying) | ||
− | + | * Skill = the level of the weapon skill. So 10 Unarmed Combat increases base damage by +10 (instead of the percentage modifier of other weapons). | |
+ | |||
+ | Then, your weapon's brand boosts damage; see the appropriate [[Brand]] page for details. | ||
===Speed=== | ===Speed=== | ||
A weapon's speed, or more accurately its attack delay, is as follows: | A weapon's speed, or more accurately its attack delay, is as follows: | ||
Delay = base delay − weapon skill/2 | Delay = base delay − weapon skill/2 | ||
+ | IF Unarmed Combat: Delay = base delay - skill/5.4 | ||
+ | It is displayed in units of [[decaAut]]s (0.8, 1.1, etc). It is then slowed by a [[shield]], and for [[Ranged Weapons]] only, [[body armour]]. | ||
− | + | All weapons have a limit, or "[[mindelay]]". This limit is usually: | |
− | + | smaller of: 0.7 OR base delay / 2 | |
− | + | A few weapons break the rule - [[rapier]]s and Unarmed Combat are set to 0.5 delay, a few [[Ranged Weapons]] are locked to 1.0 delay. | |
− | + | Both weapon delay and mindelay can also be viewed in the '''i'''nventory. | |
====Damage over Time==== | ====Damage over Time==== | ||
− | Damage over time is simply Damage / Delay | + | Damage over time is simply Damage / Delay. Maximizing DoT is generally better for damage, though it doesn't take into account [[slaying]] (benefiting faster attacks), [[AC]] (punishing faster attacks), [[brand]]s effects, or other factors. |
===Accuracy=== | ===Accuracy=== | ||
− | Accuracy (or [[to-hit]]) is one of the more complex attributes of a weapon, being affected by the base type, weapon skill, | + | Accuracy (or [[to-hit]]) is one of the more complex attributes of a weapon, being affected by the base type, weapon skill, slaying bonuses, and [[dexterity]]. It is important to choose accurate weapons in the very early game. Later on, accuracy becomes a secondary consideration - both reasonable accuracy and sane weapon delay come from having good weapon skill. |
===Handedness=== | ===Handedness=== | ||
− | There are two categories of weapons: one-handed or two-handed. The difference is simple; one-handed weapons can be used along with a [[shield]], while two-handed weapons can't. | + | There are two categories of weapons: one-handed or two-handed. The difference is simple; one-handed weapons can be used along with a [[shield]], while two-handed weapons can't. |
− | + | Shields can provide a significant amount of defense. However, they come with penalties (slows attack speed, [[EV]] penalty), mitigated by [[strength]] and Shields skill. For the larger shields, the skill investment can be quite large. Also, two-handed weapons are almost always stronger than their one-handed counterparts. Ultimately, your strength and species' aptitudes should be taken into account. | |
− | [[Kobold]]s | + | [[Kobold]]s and [[Spriggan]]s are small, so certain one-handed weapons (like [[double sword]]s) are two-handed. [[Formicid]]s can wield all weapons, except [[giant club]]s/[[giant spiked club]]s, with one hand. |
===Skill=== | ===Skill=== | ||
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(Axes and Staves don't crosstrain each other, neither do Maces & Flails and Polearms) | (Axes and Staves don't crosstrain each other, neither do Maces & Flails and Polearms) | ||
− | While it's impractical to rely on cross-training alone | + | While it's impractical to rely on cross-training alone, it does make it easier to switch between weapon types. E.g. if you were training Axes and come across an awesome [[artefact]] trident, it can be easier to use. Cross training can also give you an out against [[hydra]]s. |
===Special=== | ===Special=== | ||
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*[[Long Blades]]: Deal moderate-to-high damage and scale with [[dexterity]], a good option for former Short Blades users. | *[[Long Blades]]: Deal moderate-to-high damage and scale with [[dexterity]], a good option for former Short Blades users. | ||
*[[Axes]]: Moderate damage, but [[cleaving]] makes Axes excellent for crowd control. | *[[Axes]]: Moderate damage, but [[cleaving]] makes Axes excellent for crowd control. | ||
− | *[[Maces & Flails]]: Moderate-to-high blunt damage, common | + | *[[Maces & Flails]]: Moderate-to-high blunt damage, common. [[Giant spiked club]]s offer immense damage, but only [[Troll]]s, [[Ogre]]s, and [[Formicid]]s can wield them. |
*[[Polearms]]: Although they only deal moderate damage, these weapons can attack from afar thanks to their innate [[reaching]]. | *[[Polearms]]: Although they only deal moderate damage, these weapons can attack from afar thanks to their innate [[reaching]]. | ||
*[[Staves]]: Mundane staves deal moderate damage, but take very low skill to master. [[Magical staves]] are best for casters looking to enhance their spells, but can make decent backup weapons. | *[[Staves]]: Mundane staves deal moderate damage, but take very low skill to master. [[Magical staves]] are best for casters looking to enhance their spells, but can make decent backup weapons. | ||
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Of course, you don't ''have'' to wield a weapon to kill foes; it's perfectly feasible to beat things to death with your fists. Whether or not it's worthwhile largely depends on your build. | Of course, you don't ''have'' to wield a weapon to kill foes; it's perfectly feasible to beat things to death with your fists. Whether or not it's worthwhile largely depends on your build. | ||
− | Unarmed strikes start with | + | Unarmed strikes start with the speed of [[Short Blades]], and quickly gain damage with skill. The [[Claws]] mutation provides a special bonus to UC - species with this mutation ([[Troll]]s, [[Ghoul]], some [[Demonspawn]]) are especially good with it. You can also benefit from [[Transmutation]]s magic, like [[Spider Form]] or [[Blade Hands]]. |
− | However, | + | However, your fists do not benefit from brand or enchantment. It takes lots of skill for UC to match a +9 branded weapon - that's a large portion of the game where you are weaker than weapon-users. This makes Unarmed Combat relatively weaker in the early game. Many later [[Transmutation]]s spells will give +damage and a brand, though this also requires training the magic school (and any other quirks that forms provide). |
See the [[Unarmed Combat]] page for more details. | See the [[Unarmed Combat]] page for more details. | ||
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===Fast Weapons=== | ===Fast Weapons=== | ||
− | + | Only a few weapons have 0.5 mindelay - including: some early weapons ([[spear]]s, [[whip]]s), Short Blades, and [[demon whip]]s (sacred scourges). The [[speed brand]] also reduces attack delay, though it is rather rare outside of the aforementioned Short Blades. | |
Their chief advantage is that fast strikes are boosted more by flat bonuses. Slaying bonuses, [[auxiliary attack]]s, and certain brands ([[electrocution]], [[pain]], and [[distortion]]) apply extra damage, regardless of how much the weapon itself deals. Unfortunately, they are ''also'' affected by a flat penalty - i.e, high [[AC]]. As enemies get tougher and [[stab]]ing becomes less reliable, fast weapons become relatively weaker. | Their chief advantage is that fast strikes are boosted more by flat bonuses. Slaying bonuses, [[auxiliary attack]]s, and certain brands ([[electrocution]], [[pain]], and [[distortion]]) apply extra damage, regardless of how much the weapon itself deals. Unfortunately, they are ''also'' affected by a flat penalty - i.e, high [[AC]]. As enemies get tougher and [[stab]]ing becomes less reliable, fast weapons become relatively weaker. | ||
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Otherwise, it's simply unrealistic to expect to find the perfect weapon type for your character. A few key aspects are also important when you determine what weapon you should be using ''right now''. | Otherwise, it's simply unrealistic to expect to find the perfect weapon type for your character. A few key aspects are also important when you determine what weapon you should be using ''right now''. | ||
− | * '''Delay:''' Having a delay below 1.0 | + | * '''Delay:''' Having a delay below 1.0 decaAut prevents regular speed monsters (i.e. most of them) from potentially hitting you twice per swing. |
* '''Damage:''' Maximize damage over time. At first, a highly-enchanted or branded weapon will deal more damage than a mundane one -- even if its a measly [[whip]]. However, base damage becomes more important as you gain skill. | * '''Damage:''' Maximize damage over time. At first, a highly-enchanted or branded weapon will deal more damage than a mundane one -- even if its a measly [[whip]]. However, base damage becomes more important as you gain skill. | ||
− | ** Brands like [[electrocution]] and [[venom]] are not only better on fast weapons, but are better when you deal less damage in general. In the early dungeon (before [[Lair]]), these brands can easily hold their weight -- even with zero training. | + | ** Brands like [[electrocution]] and [[venom]] are not only better on fast weapons, but are relatively better when you deal less damage in general. In the early dungeon (before [[Lair]]), a weapon of these brands can easily hold their weight -- even with zero training. |
** Both [[scrolls of enchant weapon]] and a [[scroll of brand weapon]] can improve a mundane weapon of a strong base type. | ** Both [[scrolls of enchant weapon]] and a [[scroll of brand weapon]] can improve a mundane weapon of a strong base type. | ||
* '''Skill:''' While you can't predict when a good weapon will drop, you ''can'' predict which weapon schools will be good. Most often, you should aim to use whatever type of weapon your species has a good (positive) aptitude for. But if you find a particularly strong weapon that you have a ''reasonable'' (at least -1) aptitude for, feel free to switch. | * '''Skill:''' While you can't predict when a good weapon will drop, you ''can'' predict which weapon schools will be good. Most often, you should aim to use whatever type of weapon your species has a good (positive) aptitude for. But if you find a particularly strong weapon that you have a ''reasonable'' (at least -1) aptitude for, feel free to switch. |
Revision as of 20:27, 17 September 2023
Crawl presents the player and character with a potentially bewildering array of weapon choices. However, when all the dust clears and the parade of short swords, demon whips, and clubs has passed by, weapons have six main properties:
- Damage: How much damage, on average, the weapon does per strike.
- Accuracy: How likely the weapon is to actually hit.
- Speed: How long you must wait after attacking before you can act again.
- Handedness: Whether the weapon requires one or two hands to use.
- Skill: How fast your species can learn to use the weapon.
- Special: Weapons like have unique traits that distinguish them from the others.
As a rough rule, you'll want the weapon that deals the most damage/turn, to the largest set of monsters, without too much investment. You may also consider factors like shield and special properties.
Contents
Properties
Each of these properties is briefly described below:
Damage
For most weapons, the damage formula is approximately:
Damage = 1d(base damage × stat bonus) × skill bonus + 1d(weapon enchant + slaying)
You can see this damage rating in-game by viewing the weapon in the inventory.
- Stat bonus = +2.5% per point of either strength or dexterity, with a base of 100% at 10 str/dex. Which stat depends on the weapon type.
- Skill bonus = combined damage bonus of Fighting and weapon skill. Fighting adds +1.67% dmg/level, weapon adds +2% dmg/level, these bonuses are multiplied.
- Weapon enchant is the "+9" of a +9 broad axe.
For Unarmed Combat and Throwing, the formula is slightly adjusted:
Damage = 1d([base damage + skill] × stat bonus) × fighting bonus + 1d(weapon enchant + slaying)
- Skill = the level of the weapon skill. So 10 Unarmed Combat increases base damage by +10 (instead of the percentage modifier of other weapons).
Then, your weapon's brand boosts damage; see the appropriate Brand page for details.
Speed
A weapon's speed, or more accurately its attack delay, is as follows:
Delay = base delay − weapon skill/2 IF Unarmed Combat: Delay = base delay - skill/5.4
It is displayed in units of decaAuts (0.8, 1.1, etc). It is then slowed by a shield, and for Ranged Weapons only, body armour.
All weapons have a limit, or "mindelay". This limit is usually:
smaller of: 0.7 OR base delay / 2
A few weapons break the rule - rapiers and Unarmed Combat are set to 0.5 delay, a few Ranged Weapons are locked to 1.0 delay.
Both weapon delay and mindelay can also be viewed in the inventory.
Damage over Time
Damage over time is simply Damage / Delay. Maximizing DoT is generally better for damage, though it doesn't take into account slaying (benefiting faster attacks), AC (punishing faster attacks), brands effects, or other factors.
Accuracy
Accuracy (or to-hit) is one of the more complex attributes of a weapon, being affected by the base type, weapon skill, slaying bonuses, and dexterity. It is important to choose accurate weapons in the very early game. Later on, accuracy becomes a secondary consideration - both reasonable accuracy and sane weapon delay come from having good weapon skill.
Handedness
There are two categories of weapons: one-handed or two-handed. The difference is simple; one-handed weapons can be used along with a shield, while two-handed weapons can't.
Shields can provide a significant amount of defense. However, they come with penalties (slows attack speed, EV penalty), mitigated by strength and Shields skill. For the larger shields, the skill investment can be quite large. Also, two-handed weapons are almost always stronger than their one-handed counterparts. Ultimately, your strength and species' aptitudes should be taken into account.
Kobolds and Spriggans are small, so certain one-handed weapons (like double swords) are two-handed. Formicids can wield all weapons, except giant clubs/giant spiked clubs, with one hand.
Skill
Each species has an aptitude for each of the skills in Crawl; taking advantage of the skills you're good at will allow you to become powerful faster, greatly increasing your chance of survival. Unless you're intentionally trying to challenge yourself, you should usually try to wield weapons suited for your species.
Cross-training
One aspect of weapon choice is that training in most weapon types makes it easier to use certain other weapon types. Training in one type grants a bonus equal to 40% of your skill experience in the second type. Cross-training skills are linked as follows:
- Short Blades and Long Blades crosstrain each other
- Axes and Staves crosstrain Polearms and Maces & Flails
- Maces & Flails and Polearms crosstrain Axes and Staves
(Axes and Staves don't crosstrain each other, neither do Maces & Flails and Polearms)
While it's impractical to rely on cross-training alone, it does make it easier to switch between weapon types. E.g. if you were training Axes and come across an awesome artefact trident, it can be easier to use. Cross training can also give you an out against hydras.
Special
Most melee weapon types have certain traits that distinguish them from the others:
- Short Blades: Although they do low damage, they attack extremely fast and give a large bonus to stabbing.
- Long Blades: Deal moderate-to-high damage and scale with dexterity, a good option for former Short Blades users.
- Axes: Moderate damage, but cleaving makes Axes excellent for crowd control.
- Maces & Flails: Moderate-to-high blunt damage, common. Giant spiked clubs offer immense damage, but only Trolls, Ogres, and Formicids can wield them.
- Polearms: Although they only deal moderate damage, these weapons can attack from afar thanks to their innate reaching.
- Staves: Mundane staves deal moderate damage, but take very low skill to master. Magical staves are best for casters looking to enhance their spells, but can make decent backup weapons.
Unarmed Combat: A Special Case
Of course, you don't have to wield a weapon to kill foes; it's perfectly feasible to beat things to death with your fists. Whether or not it's worthwhile largely depends on your build.
Unarmed strikes start with the speed of Short Blades, and quickly gain damage with skill. The Claws mutation provides a special bonus to UC - species with this mutation (Trolls, Ghoul, some Demonspawn) are especially good with it. You can also benefit from Transmutations magic, like Spider Form or Blade Hands.
However, your fists do not benefit from brand or enchantment. It takes lots of skill for UC to match a +9 branded weapon - that's a large portion of the game where you are weaker than weapon-users. This makes Unarmed Combat relatively weaker in the early game. Many later Transmutations spells will give +damage and a brand, though this also requires training the magic school (and any other quirks that forms provide).
See the Unarmed Combat page for more details.
Combining these: Small or Large Weapons?
In the simplest terms, every player wants to maximize their weapon's damage divided by delay. However, considerations from every which way have to be made. The first such consideration is the weapon's speed.
Fast Weapons
Only a few weapons have 0.5 mindelay - including: some early weapons (spears, whips), Short Blades, and demon whips (sacred scourges). The speed brand also reduces attack delay, though it is rather rare outside of the aforementioned Short Blades.
Their chief advantage is that fast strikes are boosted more by flat bonuses. Slaying bonuses, auxiliary attacks, and certain brands (electrocution, pain, and distortion) apply extra damage, regardless of how much the weapon itself deals. Unfortunately, they are also affected by a flat penalty - i.e, high AC. As enemies get tougher and stabing becomes less reliable, fast weapons become relatively weaker.
On the plus side, fast weapons are accurate and already start with a low base delay, meaning they take less skill to use well. With a good (or even decent) brand, a demon whip or quick blade are good enough to finish a 3-rune game with.
Big Weapons
"Strong but slow" weapons are as powerful as their size suggests. Sharing a mindelay of 7, big weapons like executioner's axes, bardiches, triple swords, and, if you can wield them, giant spiked clubs, are obviously attractive. Vorpal, freezing, and flaming are universally good brands, and these high base damage weapons benefit the most. Holy wrath, amazing in the extended game, falls under the same category. Overall, their high damage is excellent for punching through monsters' armour.
However, the biggest weapons require massive skill investment, taking anywhere from 22-24 skill to reach mindelay. They are also all two-handed and prevent use of a shield, which significantly impacts your overall defense - though, at least you don't need to invest in the Shields skill. And, with the exception of giant clubs, the strongest weapons are all quite rare; it might be best to bide your time with a battleaxe, dire flail, or one-handed weapon as you train up your skill, anyway.
Medium Weapons
They might be weaker with the same 0.7 delay as the largest weapons, but weapons like the broad axe, eveningstar, and double sword are respectable in their own right. They have the highest damage potential of any weapon that can be used one-handed, letting you combine middle-of-the-road offense with solid defense. They also require far less skill to reach a tolerable delay than the large weapons. There's also lajatangs -- while they require both hands to use, they are stronger and take even less skill than other medium weapons.
While weaker one-handers like morningstars and scimitars are fairly plentiful throughout the dungeon, the best medium-sized weapons aren't. Of the strongest one-handed weapons, broad axes are the most common. You're fairly likely to find at least one enemy throughout the Orcish Mines or the Vaults that carries one. The rest are far more elusive -- you might find one in certain vaults likely to contain rare weapons or on a unique monster, but it's not guaranteed.
Perhaps the other demon weapons (demon blade, demon trident, and their holy versions) 'truly' belong in the "medium" category. With a mindelay of 0.6, these act like a blend of fast and medium, benefiting from flat brands while having great base damage. And like a demon whip, they easily compete with other end-game weapons. They're still unlikely to be found on the floor, though.
Weapon Availability and You
Searching for the perfect weapon can take a while unless you worship one of the weapon-gifting gods (Trog or Okawaru). God gifts, along with scrolls of acquirement, favor weaponry that you have skill investment in. The latter also tends to create items that you haven't seen yet. Finally, the Hall of Blades will always spawn 'rare' weapons, though uninfluenced by your skill decisions.
Otherwise, it's simply unrealistic to expect to find the perfect weapon type for your character. A few key aspects are also important when you determine what weapon you should be using right now.
- Delay: Having a delay below 1.0 decaAut prevents regular speed monsters (i.e. most of them) from potentially hitting you twice per swing.
- Damage: Maximize damage over time. At first, a highly-enchanted or branded weapon will deal more damage than a mundane one -- even if its a measly whip. However, base damage becomes more important as you gain skill.
- Brands like electrocution and venom are not only better on fast weapons, but are relatively better when you deal less damage in general. In the early dungeon (before Lair), a weapon of these brands can easily hold their weight -- even with zero training.
- Both scrolls of enchant weapon and a scroll of brand weapon can improve a mundane weapon of a strong base type.
- Skill: While you can't predict when a good weapon will drop, you can predict which weapon schools will be good. Most often, you should aim to use whatever type of weapon your species has a good (positive) aptitude for. But if you find a particularly strong weapon that you have a reasonable (at least -1) aptitude for, feel free to switch.
- Once you've invested enough in a weapon skill, you should generally stick with that weapon type. even if you find an absolutely amazing weapon of a different school. Short of finding something like Wyrmbane, reaching 14-ish skill is definitely enough to decide your weapon skill of choice for the rest of your run.
- A weapon in a crosstrained skill is easier to swap to; you can still consider them even with a fairly high original skill, assuming it has good enough properties (brand, enchantment, artefact properties).
- Base type matters with your initial skilling -- you shouldn't expect to use a +9 artefact spear for very long, even if you are training in Polearms. But finding a +4 demon trident of freezing early on is 100% a reason to train that weapon school. However, if your species is proficient in polearms, the spear certainly isn't a bad reason to start!
- Gnolls, with their unique method of learning, might want to refer to their article for weapon choice.
- Once you've invested enough in a weapon skill, you should generally stick with that weapon type. even if you find an absolutely amazing weapon of a different school. Short of finding something like Wyrmbane, reaching 14-ish skill is definitely enough to decide your weapon skill of choice for the rest of your run.
- Shields: If you don't have a shield, two-handed weapons (the smaller ones, at least) lose their main disadvantage. Meanwhile, swapping to a two-hander is a waste if you have already invested skill to wear a kite shield.
Ultimately, don't be afraid to settle for a "weaker" weapon like a war axe, scimitar, or trident during most of the early-mid game. Your immediate survival is more important.
Weapon Schools: Advantages and Disadvantages
Short Blades
Highest aptitudes: +3 (Kobold), +2 (Merfolk)
Short Blades are best for stabbers, whether you find opportunities from natural stealth or a variety of Hexes. Their accuracy and extremely small skill requirements make them good choices for untrained characters, especially if you get a brand like venom or electrocution. As stabbing gets harder to pull off, skill in Short Blades transitions well into Long Blades. Quick blades are excellent for regular combat purposes, while daggers deal the most damage from a stab. Many small and/or stealthy species already have good aptitudes with Short Blades.
Short Blades use dexterity for their damage.
Advantages
- Early Short Blades often come with strong brands.
- Fastest, most accurate weapons in the game.
- Receives a large bonus to stabbing (Daggers are boosted more).
- All one-handed.
- Crosstrains with Long Blades, which also Dex scale and are better against AC.
Disadvantages
- Very poor damage output against high AC.
- Low damage overall without stabs or the particularly rare quick blade.
Long Blades
Highest aptitudes: +2 (Barachi, Minotaur, Merfolk, Meteoran)
Long Blades are decent weapons on their own, though their most notable feature is their crosstraining with Short Blades. Their best one-handers (scimitar, demon blade, double sword) deal respectable damage at a good delay, and a well-branded great sword or triple sword isn't shabby, either.
Long Blades use dexterity for their damage.
Advantages
- Somewhat common in the Dungeon -- many monsters wield them.
- Crosstrains with Short Blades, which also scale with dex and can provide highly-damaging stabs.
- Marginally more accurate than Maces & Flails, with the same damage.
Disadvantages
- Cuts off hydra heads if they don't have the flaming brand.
- Double swords and triple swords are quite rare.
Maces & Flails
Highest aptitudes: +3 (Meteoran), +2 (Minotaur), +1 (Barachi, Hill Orc, Tengu)
Maces & Flails are perhaps the blandest melee weapons, but they deal respectable damage and are fairly common. Trolls and Ogres may delight in the giant spiked club, often wielded by the common enemy ogre, and sporting the highest base damage in the game. Regular sized species prefer the eveningstar, the most powerful one-hander, and easier to find than double swords. Plain whips are extremely common and very low-skill options, while dire flails are a two-hander with great specs (for the early game).
Maces & Flails use Strength for their damage.
Advantages
- Fairly common.
- Great fast (whips / demon whips) and slow (dire flail / eveningstar) options.
- Does not chop hydra heads.
- Crosstrains with Axes and Staves.
Disadvantages
- No cleaving or other special abilities.
- Comparatively weak two-handers for regular size species.
Axes
Highest aptitudes: +3 (Hill Orc), +2 (Minotaur, Meteoran)
Axes cleave, hitting every target around them for 70% damage. While risky, Axes can make any crowded situation that much easier, so are extremely useful for speedruns and regular games alike. Pick the biggest axe you can; whenever it'd be a broad axe + shield or executioner's axe. Battleaxes are a decent, oft-dropped 2-handed choice for those who haven't found either, and war axes are passable for those who haven't found (or trained for) any of the three.
Axes use Strength for their damage.
Advantages
- All Axes can cleave to hit multiple opponents.
- Crosstrains with Polearms and Maces & Flails.
Disadvantages
- Somewhat weaker and slower compared to single-target weapons.
- Actually taking advantage of cleaving is often risky.
- Cuts off hydra heads.
Polearms
Highest aptitudes: +3 (Merfolk), +2 (Minotaur, Meteoran)
Polearms have inherent reaching, meaning they can attack from 2 tiles away. This matters most in the initial stages of the game, where an extra attack can make all the difference, especially since the school's early options (spears and tridents) are common, high-accuracy, and low-skill. Demon tridents are an overall great pick, being one-handed, fast, high-damage, and often wielded by the merfolk dwelling the Shoals. Two-handed Polearms, namely glaives and bardiches, are damaging, but require much higher skill investment.
Polearms use Strength for their damage.
Advantages
- Reaching is a strong perk for many stages of the game.
- Synergy with Summonings, god-granted allies (Beogh, Yredelemnul, etc), and spells like Conjure Flame.
- Crosstrains with Axes and Maces & Flails.
Disadvantages
- Lower base damage than most other weapon types.
- Small species have no good one-handed options.
- Few species have great aptitudes with them (Merfolk are the most notable exception).
Physical Staves
Highest aptitudes: +2 (Minotaurs, Meteoran)
There are two physical Staves in the game -- quarterstaves and lajatangs. Both staves take little skill to master and deal great damage for said investment. They are also one of the few non-artefact weapons that can come with the speed brand. While not very common, Gladiators may start with a quarterstaff. Hybrid characters, especially those who are lucky or worship Okawaru, may enjoy Staves the most.
All staves use Strength for their damage.
Advantages
- Low skill requirements.
- High power relative to skill investment.
- Crosstrains with Polearms and Maces & Flails.
Disadvantages
- Two-handed.
- Rather weak, overall.
- Lajatangs are barely stronger than the largest one-handed weapons.
- Quarterstaves are outdamaged by even common weapons like war axes (once they hit mindelay).
- Somewhat rare.
Magical staves
Highest aptitudes: +2 (Minotaurs, Meteoran)
Magical staves' primary purpose is to boost the spellpower of whatever school they are specialized in. However, that doesn't mean you can't use them as bludgeoning tools! With 12 Staves skill, some Evocations, and the school of their choice, a magic staff can be used as an effective MP-saving weapon. The spellpower boost alone may convince a staff-finder to invest in a different school of spells; the actual item is just a nice bonus. A staff of conjuration in particular provides irresistible damage, in addition to buffing a very wide and versatile spell school.
Advantages
- Boosts spellpower, in addition to melee.
- Most magical staves come with a resistance.
- Surprising damage if you have a lot of skill in the magic school.
Disadvantages
- Fairly weak base type.
- Unable to be enchanted or branded.
- Most magical staves deal elemental damage, and are subject to enemy resistances.
- Investing a lot in three skills (Magic, Staves, and Evocations) in addition to defensive skills and everything else is often a tough ask.
Ranged Weapons
Main Article: Ranged Weapons#Strategy
Ranged weapons work quite differently from other weapons. Obviously, they can fire from an entire screen's distance, instead of being limited to melee. They are slowed down by armour encumbrance, so heavy armoured characters are hindered (at least without a lot of strength).
They all scale with dexterity rather than strength.
Advantages
- Full screen range; multiple "free" attacks against melee monsters, able to fight range from a range.
- Very common from monster sources:
Disadvantages
- Most common ranged weapons are two-handed.
- Slowed down heavily by armour encumbrance.
- Weaker per hit than comparable melee weapons.
- Arbalests, hand crossbows, triple crossbows all have a minimum delay of 1.0.
Judging Artefacts
Artefacts may look slick, have a cool name, and a bunch of perks. But when are they good?
- Firstly, look at their enchantment, brand, and base type. A artefact +6 trident of freezing is still a +6 trident of freezing, except you can't even enchant it. Whenever this is good is largely gamestate dependent: a novice merfolk stuck with a spear might gladly take it, but its all but useless in combat compared to demon trident wielders.
- As mentioned above, if you've trained another weapon skill and don't even have cross-training in that weapon, don't consider it. The exception is when you don't have many skills in the first place. Many artefacts, simply due to their high enchantment, will carry through the early game. Whenever you use their properties untrained or decide to use 'em as a jumping point, is mostly up to you.
- Some properties are dangerous to wield, namely *Slow and *Rage. It's certainly still possible to use weapons with them, though you'll have to remain aware of their risks. Other negative properties like *Drain and *Corrode are much more tolerable in comparison.
- Stat modifiers aren't the biggest deal in the world, though -5 Strength obviously won't help with damage, while +3 Int provides benefit even if you never actually hit your foes. Certain characters might have to beware of stat zero, however.
- It might be worth keeping a weapon around if it provides some needed resistances, even if you only wield it when running away.
History
- 0.29 Short/Long Blades and Ranged Weapons scale with Dex. Ranged weapons rework.
- 0.28 removed Long Blades' riposte. The XP costs for high-level skills were reduced, and the base delay of the biggest weapons in the game was also lowered.
- 0.27 greatly increased the penalty for wearing shields, indirectly affecting all one-handed weapons.
- 0.24 reworked throwing. Tomahawks as well as blowguns/needles were replaced with boomerangs and darts. Javelins now had innate penetration.
- 0.19 added riposte for Long Blades.
- 0.15 introduced several new ranged weapons: greatslings, hand crossbows, arbalests, and triple crossbows.
- 0.12 introduced cleaving for Axes. Prior to 0.12, there were two additional forms of handedness: hand-and-a-half weapons and double weapons. These each received further penalties when wielded with a shield, but were otherwise one-handed weapons.
- 0.10 introduced innate reaching for Polearms.
Strategy Guides | |
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General | Walkthrough • Dealing with trouble • Tips and tricks • Identification • FAQ Vaults:5 • Zot:5 • Mega-Zig |
Character Building | Early Game • Mid Game • Late Game
Beginner Characters • God Choice • Weapon Choice • Specialization |
Community Guides | Character guides |
Weapons | |
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Axes | Battleaxe • Broad axe • Executioner's axe • Hand axe • War axe |
Maces & Flails | Club • Demon whip • Dire flail • Eveningstar • Flail • Giant club • Giant spiked club • Great mace • Mace (Hammer) • Morningstar • Sacred scourge • Whip |
Long Blades | Demon blade • Double sword • Eudemon blade • Falchion • Great sword • Long sword • Scimitar • Triple sword |
Polearms | Bardiche • Demon trident • Glaive • Halberd (Scythe) • Spear • Trident • Trishula |
Ranged Weapons | Arbalest • Hand cannon • Longbow • Orcbow • Shortbow • Sling • Triple crossbow |
Short Blades | Dagger • Quick blade • Rapier • Short sword |
Staves | Lajatang • Magical staff • Quarterstaff |
Throwing | Boomerang • Dart • Javelin • Large rock • Stone • Throwing net |